[OB] Hoid use allomancy on Shallan

[Matias he/him]

I don't know if this has been discuss already but, i really think that Hoid use emocional allomancy on Shallan while they were at the restaurant

1- Shallan was super interested on Hoid at one point, but then she changes her mind super fast, saying like "why am i even asking you"

2- Shallan complains about that she wasn't hungry, but at the end she eats both her and Hoid's plate

What do you think?

[Alderant she/her]

So...Okay, so your question is actually really complicated, and to go into the specifics would require more time than I have to give, so let me just kind of "clif-note" my thoughts on this.

10 minutes ago, Matias said:

1- Shallan was super interested on Hoid at one point, but then she changes her mind super fast, saying like "why am i even asking you"

There's no reason this is explicitly a magical reaction. The greatest fallacy of a magical system is that the reader will then attribute everything a character goes through as resultant of said magic system. Remember that emotional allomancy can't control a person, only manipulate them--also, Hoid is a person that Shallan is really attached to, for a kind of bizarre reason. In a time of great darkness for her, he was a kindness that her mind latched onto. They only had one interaction that I know of prior to her arrival on the Shattered Plains, yet as soon as she saw him she practically glomped him and told him how much his words back then had meant to her. So we know she holds Hoid in high esteem, and it's a not uncommon real-world thing to want to get advice from people we hold in high regard.

14 minutes ago, Matias said:

2- Shallan complains about that she wasn't hungry, but at the end she eats both her and Hoid's plate

Have you ever met a girl who would say she wasn't hungry because she didn't want to embarrass herself by eating too much? That's pretty much all that's happening. We know Shallan has an appetite when she wants to, but she really respects Hoid. Also, keep in mind that emotional allomancy only affects emotions, not physical state, and hunger is not an emotion, but a physical warning of the necessity of nourishment.

TL;DR - No, I don't think this was emotional allomancy, but rather real-world behaviors that are observable in modern society.

[Matias he/him]

@Alderant i understand your points, but in mistborn we saw alot of applications on emotional allomancy, i'm almost sure that Breeze was capable of decrease fatigue on people, besides, we know (or i think it is) Hoid is a mistborn and Sanderson said that it has been allomancy on screen in Roshar, so maybe is that

Ps: it was hemarulgy on screen, but maybe also allomancy

Edited July 24, 2018 by Matias

[Alderant she/her]

As a person with depression, I can tell you that fatigue is very much an emotional issue. Besides, that doesn't need to be the only instance where emotional allomancy could have been used--for all we know, Brandon could have meant Hoid was using it to rile up the nobles he was criticizing as Wit! It would be a very Hoid thing to do. But that's my two cents.

[Matias he/him]

I don't know, i'm still thinking that it was allomancy, after all, there is always another secret

[Calderis he/him]

If there was emotional Allomancy anywhere in that scene, I think would only be at the point in which her interest suddenly dies off. Soothing curiosity. 

That said, I'm with Alderant here.

We have seen Hoid use Allomancy though, and even in Shallan's presence, and possibly on her. In her flashback of Middlefest. 

[Alderant she/her]

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I don't know, i'm still thinking that it was allomancy, after all, there is always another secret

Not going to condemn you for thinking that. 

Don't get me wrong. It is an interesting idea, but I'm a magic skeptic. I look for reasons why something isn't magic before I ascribe things a magic cause, and if there's enough validity to the non-magic reasons, I assume it's not magic. Assuming everything is magic feels very deus ex machina to me, and that's a literary resolution I particularly despise.

Still, points for the idea--it was enough to engage me, after all, and discussion is where the fun is.

Edited July 24, 2018 by Alderant

[Angsos]

Hoid is a mistborn so he could've done something. Hoid is also very weird in general, considering how old he is. Just because he's mysterious, doesn't mean he always uses magic.