Marethyu316 Posted November 3, 2017 Posted November 3, 2017 I was struck by the way that Lift thinks about the third ideal. Quote “But I will listen to those who are ignored, she thought. Even people like Darkness, whom I’d rather never have heard.” Aloud she only said, "I will listen to those who are ignored", but she was able to summon Wyndle before saying those words, which makes me think that "thinking" them had been enough. It's hard to be sure in Lift's POV, because she can be unreliable, but if the full ideal has the ending "Even people..., whom I'd rather never have heard", then it is strikingly similar to the Windrunner's third ideal Quote “I will protect those I hate, as long as it is right.” I don’t suppose it necessarily has to be something special about the third ideal, but the two we’ve seen (Shallan’s being an exception, since there are no set ideals after the first) both have something about acting against your own natural inclination. The problem is that I can’t tel if that’s just Lift’s commentary or if it is meant to be part of the true meaning of the ideal. Thoughts anyone? 1
Wreith he/him Posted November 3, 2017 Posted November 3, 2017 21 minutes ago, Marethyu316 said: I was struck by the way that Lift thinks about the third ideal. Aloud she only said, "I will listen to those who are ignored", but she was able to summon Wyndle before saying those words, which makes me think that "thinking" them had been enough. It's hard to be sure in Lift's POV, because she can be unreliable, but if the full ideal has the ending "Even people..., whom I'd rather never have heard", then it is strikingly similar to the Windrunner's third ideal I don’t suppose it necessarily has to be something special about the third ideal, but the two we’ve seen (Shallan’s being an exception, since there are no set ideals after the first) both have something about acting against your own natural inclination. The problem is that I can’t tel if that’s just Lift’s commentary or if it is meant to be part of the true meaning of the ideal. Thoughts anyone? I agree that Lift thinking the ideal is enough, but I think that only applies to her and her special Cognitive situation. In Lift's case, I had believed the distaste portion of the ideal just her commentary, but I like the idea that one of the oaths for each order directly references things you'd rather not do. In the vein of Taravangian is the next Bondsmith, is Dalinar's next oath going to be along the lines of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" so they have a shot at working together against Odium despite Mr T's extracurricular activities?
Recommended Posts