bdoble97 Posted October 28, 2016 Posted October 28, 2016 I ask this question with only reading the the two Stormlight, Elantris and first Mistborn I'm about halfway through warbreaker now. But could oayhgates be a way for people to jump from planet to planet within the cosmere.
1stBondsmith he/him Posted October 28, 2016 Posted October 28, 2016 (edited) Since they are fabrials, and need to be infused with Stormlight, and because a radiant needs to be using a live sprensword, I think it is only possible if spren can exist on other worlds. The rest is easy, but we don't know yet if a spren can travel with their human to another world. Just not enough data. Does someone know of a WoB about spren travelling to other worlds? I haven't read one. Edited October 28, 2016 by 1stBondsmith
Spoolofwhool Posted October 28, 2016 Posted October 28, 2016 I don't think that Oathgates, in their current form, would be able to worldhop people. However, I believe that the possibility is there, should they be modified appropriately. It seems likely that the Oathgates work by manipulating the Surge of Transporation, like Elsecalling. However, while Elsecalling has the surgebinder consciously in Shadesmar, and finding their own exit point, the Oathgates seems to shortcut the process by creating two immediate points in and out, between paired Oathgates. As such, to use an Oathgate to worldhop, you would have to someone pair it to another point which can be used as an exit to Shadesmar. Barring that, you could probably modify it to just push people into Shadesmar, leaving them to figure out their own method of exiting. To actually pair oathgates across worlds would require spren on the other world, something I don't think occurs, as @1stBondsmith said.
AnAirSickLowLander Posted October 28, 2016 Posted October 28, 2016 Brandon has said that spren can travel. Quote INTERVIEW: Feb 27th, 2016 Librarypalooza PALADIN BREWER Can a spren or Seon travel to another shardworld? BRANDON SANDERSON Yes they can, though are more bound to their world but they can travel else where. So I assume that an oathgate on another world would be possible. My only concern would be if the spren manifest differently on other worlds. Since spren and seon are very similar but a seon bonding, as far as we know, does not give any power, then there might be complications. This could also just be a difference in which shards they were created from or seons never bonding with the intent of giving abilities. Quote INTERVIEW: Oct 1st, 2013 Steelheart Signing Report - Argent (Paraphrased) QUESTION Is the bond between a Seon and its master similar to the Nahel bond between a Surgebinder and his spren? BRANDON SANDERSON Yes.
bdoble97 Posted October 29, 2016 Author Posted October 29, 2016 51 minutes ago, Numuhukumakiaki'aialunamor said: Brandon has said that spren can travel. So I assume that an oathgate on another world would be possible. My only concern would be if the spren manifest differently on other worlds. Since spren and seon are very similar but a seon bonding, as far as we know, does not give any power, then there might be complications. This could also just be a difference in which shards they were created from or seons never bonding with the intent of giving abilities. Nice. So mabe oathgates are diffrent on diffrent worlds. Kind of like they're loosely based off the same technology test created differently.
Savanorn he/him Posted October 29, 2016 Posted October 29, 2016 I don't know if the current Oathgate system could be used as such, maybe with some very heavy modding. But I think that given some advancements it should be possible to apply the same theory to make a gate between worlds. Of course, we'll all be gobsmacked when in SA 5 everyone uses the Oathgates to go to Braize.
bdoble97 Posted October 29, 2016 Author Posted October 29, 2016 7 hours ago, Savanorn said: I don't know if the current Oathgate system could be used as such, maybe with some very heavy modding. But I think that given some advancements it should be possible to apply the same theory to make a gate between worlds. Of course, we'll all be gobsmacked when in SA 5 everyone uses the Oathgates to go to Braize. I remember Sanderson saying that SA will be like The Age of Legends from Tbe Wheel of Time. I am optimistic that by the time we are at book 5 we have all k8nds if crazy epic fantasy flying beast, energy wepons and things I can't even think of. 2
Spoolofwhool Posted October 29, 2016 Posted October 29, 2016 25 minutes ago, bdoble97 said: I remember Sanderson saying that SA will be like The Age of Legends from Tbe Wheel of Time. I am optimistic that by the time we are at book 5 we have all k8nds if crazy epic fantasy flying beast, energy wepons and things I can't even think of. I don't see how there are flying fantasy beasts, energy weapons and the like in Stormlight Archives when Sanderson has allegedly said that SA is going to be more self-contained from Cosmere than other series. As such it wouldn't have any overtly noticeable non-Roshar elements.
djammmer Posted October 29, 2016 Posted October 29, 2016 I don't have the quote, but someone asked Sanderson about the teleportation used in Elanris... And if it could be used to world hop. He said something to the effect (Iirc) that "I guess technically it could, but it would be really difficult due to distance and that planets are moving targets" (I.e. The two targets do not stay constant distance and direction from each other.). And don't the spanreed fabrials have the same limitation, and that's why they can't be used on ships? I'd speculate that transportation fabrials could suffer the same limitation (I.e. You can't build a moving oath gate.). Just speculation. on a side note, if possible this means we might have world hopping capabilities on 3/4 worlds based on their magic system. Roshar=Oath gate fabrials, elantris = teleportation, mist born= Alomancy powered FTL ships. Wonder what endowment magic can do. 1
Savanorn he/him Posted October 29, 2016 Posted October 29, 2016 4 hours ago, bdoble97 said: I remember Sanderson saying that SA will be like The Age of Legends from Tbe Wheel of Time. I am optimistic that by the time we are at book 5 we have all k8nds if crazy epic fantasy flying beast, energy wepons and things I can't even think of. That could be pretty cool. Do you have the quote on hand by any chance? It does kinda make sense as Roshar seems to be the most highly invested and "different" of the worlds. 2 hours ago, djammmer said: I don't have the quote, but someone asked Sanderson about the teleportation used in Elanris... And if it could be used to world hop. He said something to the effect (Iirc) that "I guess technically it could, but it would be really difficult due to distance and that planets are moving targets" (I.e. The two targets do not stay constant distance and direction from each other.). And don't the spanreed fabrials have the same limitation, and that's why they can't be used on ships? I'd speculate that transportation fabrials could suffer the same limitation (I.e. You can't build a moving oath gate.). Just speculation. on a side note, if possible this means we might have world hopping capabilities on 3/4 worlds based on their magic system. Roshar=Oath gate fabrials, elantris = teleportation, mist born= Alomancy powered FTL ships. Wonder what endowment magic can do. Interestingly enough. Given Zahel being on Roshar it is almost certain that not only does Nalthis have a worldhopping mechanism, it might be an easier method than that of the others. Perhaps it has to do with Zahel being Returned. Unless... he just uses a shardpool.
bdoble97 Posted October 29, 2016 Author Posted October 29, 2016 @Savanorn sorry I do not have the quote. And have no idea how to locate it.
nervousnerd he/him Posted October 29, 2016 Posted October 29, 2016 4 hours ago, djammmer said: I don't have the quote, but someone asked Sanderson about the teleportation used in Elanris... And if it could be used to world hop. He said something to the effect (Iirc) that "I guess technically it could, but it would be really difficult due to distance and that planets are moving targets" (I.e. The two targets do not stay constant distance and direction from each other.). And don't the spanreed fabrials have the same limitation, and that's why they can't be used on ships? I'd speculate that transportation fabrials could suffer the same limitation (I.e. You can't build a moving oath gate.). Just speculation. on a side note, if possible this means we might have world hopping capabilities on 3/4 worlds based on their magic system. Roshar=Oath gate fabrials, elantris = teleportation, mist born= Alomancy powered FTL ships. Wonder what endowment magic can do. Space elevator made of lifeless standing on each other's shoulders. 2 hours ago, Savanorn said: That could be pretty cool. Do you have the quote on hand by any chance? It does kinda make sense as Roshar seems to be the most highly invested and "different" of the worlds. Interestingly enough. Given Zahel being on Roshar it is almost certain that not only does Nalthis have a worldhopping mechanism, it might be an easier method than that of the others. Perhaps it has to do with Zahel being Returned. Unless... he just uses a shardpool. Yeah. Every shard world technically already has something like the Oathgates to travel: a shardpool. We don't really know how they work yet though and other methods will certainly be possible. 2
Massik he/him Posted October 30, 2016 Posted October 30, 2016 On 10/28/2016 at 3:02 PM, 1stBondsmith said: Since they are fabrials, and need to be infused with Stormlight, and because a radiant needs to be using a live sprensword, I think it is only possible if spren can exist on other worlds. The rest is easy, but we don't know yet if a spren can travel with their human to another world. Just not enough data. Does someone know of a WoB about spren travelling to other worlds? I haven't read one. Spren can maybe, possibly exist on other worlds, without traveling there. From RAFOlympics: ------quote-------- [14:53] Q: Spren. The phenomenon that creates spren. Is that Roshar-specific or is that a general effect? A: Well, yes and no. The general fundamental rules that create spren are Cosmere-wide. Spren are pieces of Investiture, usually pieces of Investiture that come straight from one of the Shards of Adonalsium, split off in some way, that because of human or other sapient creatures thinking about it or interacting with the power, the power starts to take on a life of its own. The power develops personality and comes alive, so to speak. And this can happen on any pla - in any place where there is Investiture. So it could happen on any planet in the Cosmere with significant amounts of free Investiture. The places you’ve seen this happen most commonly are Sel and Scad - Roshar. You haven’t seen it on Scadrial, and you’ve seen little kind of hints of it on Nalthis, but not quite. But it’s possible for it to happen anywhere. Seons and spren are basically the same thing with different powers kind of pushing them, pushing growth out of them - that said, the non-sapient spren, the spren that are not quite as...They’re not going to stand up and talk to you. But those all existed…not all, but most of them existed on Roshar before the Shattering of Adonalsium. --------------end quote--------- Roshar of course is a bit different in that there were non sentien spren before the breaking.
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