Ars Arcanum

[Droughtbringer]

So I was recently able to talk to Brandon at the Ogden Signing. Recently before that I started looking at this table (The one that should be above this) and the first category really interested me, specifically the forth, and sixth columns. Inhalation, and Protecting/Leading. 

To me the Protecting/Leading sounded a lot like Kaladin, and his connection to Syl. his oath's are all about protecting:

I will protect those who cannot protect themselves. 

—The Second Ideal of the Windrunners

I will protect even those I hate, so long as it is right. 

— The Third Ideal of the Windrunners

And he was also a MAJOR leader of Bridge four, he is the reason that they are now free.

Jump down to the next line, Just. We know that SkyBreakers use one of the same surges as Kaladin does, Gravitation, and also the surge of Division. They also fall the law to the letter, aka being just. ( based on or behaving according to what is morally right and fair.)  If you look at a list then you will see that the SkyBreakers would use the second set of possible surges on the list (seen below) and the Windrunners use the first set possible, lining them up, if you place them on a chart, directly underneath each other.

1.Adhesion
2.Gravitation
3.Division
4.Abrasion
5.Progression
6.Illumination
7.Transformation
8.Transportation
9.Cohesion
10.Tension
 

K so now skip down to where Shallan would be on the list...she would be the sixth (having access to the sixth, and seventh surges listed) Sixth one down on the chart, Creativity/honest. Hmm...sounds like her.

Next one down, Transformation/Transportation, Wise/Careful, sound like Jasnah to you?

So this gives us a base for what each of the orders of the Knights Radiant will be based upon, and also lets us know that Dalinar will be based on being Pious( devoutly religious.) which makes sense, being bonded to a God-spren.

When I talked to Brandon about this he did say that these all matched up exactly, and that this did work, and also said something about Creativity being a form of lying for Shallan.

Now to that other column I mentioned, the fourth one. I have no base for this, except what I see, but I do not know what Brandon has to say about it, as I can up with it shortly after talking to him.
So Kaladin's body focus is Inhalation, according to the chart, I haven't had time to check this yet, but whenever Kaladin breathes in Stormlight it specifically says that he Inhales it, yet when Dalinar gets his stormlight at the end of WoR it says that he sucked in stormlight...This might be nothing but...

Also when Shallan first soulcast is it a coincidence that the thing turned to Blood? Her body focus, is after all, blood.

What do you guys think? Let me know.

Edited October 10, 2016 by Sasooner

[Spoolofwhool]

Was there something on this subject that Brandon said?

[Yata he/him]

8 hours ago, Sasooner said:

So I was recently able to talk to Brandon at the Ogden Signing. Recently before that I started looking at this table (The one that should be above this) and the first category really interested me, specifically the forth, and sixth columns. Inhalation, and Protecting/Leading. 

We know that chart was made by phylosophers who tried to put together Cosmere's knowledge but they misunderstood some point.

Quote

An Old question I made to Brandon

Q: Are the Ten Essence related to the Ten Shardworld's Form-of-Investiture ?

A: They are not as related as philosophers from ancient days, who created those tables, thought that they were.

Other pointed (thanks to Ym's Interlude) that every line of the table is associated also to a Shardworld.

Ym said "this is the fourth land" and as you can see the fourth line is "lucentia" (Stormlight) and "eyes" (many magical phenomes on Roshar influence Eyes' color.

There are a topic somewhere with people who try to find a correlation Shardworld-->Line to all the chart (Sadly with limited result)

Edited October 10, 2016 by Yata

[Droughtbringer]

20 hours ago, Spoolofwhool said:

Was there something on this subject that Brandon said?

Wow...I had been in the middle of typing this when I had to stop to do something else...This was not the full thing at all...It has been updated

Edited October 10, 2016 by Sasooner

[marianmi]

There's nothing new about this table that has not been talked about for years.

I would like to add this:

Shallan - creative / honest - she needs to speak a truth to "level-up"

probably the KR from the other orders, in order to level-up, need to:

* be just - when taking a decision to be just even if it's painful (e.g. arrest own relative, take a just decision even if it's against the law, ...)

* be obedient - follow orders, even if they're the wrong orders; it would work even better if this would be in a battle where the KR will show bravery as well

* heal somebody - like Lift did with  Gawx (can we all agree she had a level up in the palace when she revived Gawx?)

* give stuff away - we'll see what will Jasnah give away - maybe level up when she will give knowledge away?

* when being careful leads to some important discovery

* when building something - e.g. some fabrial

* when being dependable - e.g. in battle coming to an ally's rescue

* when guiding - for Dalinar, guiding actually started pretty late in the 2nd book. you can argue that guiding ppl to urithiru lead him to becoming KR

 

[Spoolofwhool]

Don't forget that each Herald is associated with a number which also corresponds to the specific attributes of the KR group they are patron of.

[Droughtbringer]

2 hours ago, marianmi said:

 

* give stuff away - we'll see what will Jasnah give away - maybe level up when she will give knowledge away?

 

 

Thats not Jasnah's order though...As far as the list matching up with everything else goes:
1.Adhesion
2.Gravitation
3.Division
4.Abrasion
5.Progression
6.Illumination
7.Transformation
8.Transportation
9.Cohesion
10.Tension
   Number 7 would be her base, meaning that the 7th on the list is the one that matches her, Wise/Careful, number 5 would (With Progression and Illumination) match Learned/Giving

[marianmi]

That's correct, jasnah is wise/careful sorry I didn't count correctly

[Droughtbringer]

@marianmi

So do you recall at any point, anyone else besides Kaladin inhaling stormlight?

[marsoupial they/them]

Just now, Sasooner said:

@marianmi

So do you recall at any point, anyone else besides Kaladin inhaling stormlight?

I do! The one-armed Herdazian, did, iirc.

[Droughtbringer]

34 minutes ago, bleeder said:

I do! The one-armed Herdazian, did, iirc.

"After all, sooner or later, he was going to look at one of these and-

The Lopen sucked in light"

He only sucks it in, whereas in WoK 

"Kaladin breathed in deaply. The sphere grew cold as a wave of heat shot up his arm."

It seems that whenever Kaladin gets stormlight he Inhales, yet other don't have to...they just suck it in, and with Kaladin's body focus it specifically says Inhalation...could be interesting later on

[marsoupial they/them]

Just now, Sasooner said:

"After all, sooner or later, he was going to look at one of these and-

The Lopen sucked in light"

He only sucks it in, whereas in WoK 

"Kaladin breathed in deaply. The sphere grew cold as a wave of heat shot up his arm."

It seems that whenever Kaladin gets stormlight he Inhales, yet other don't have to...they just suck it in, and with Kaladin's body focus it specifically says Inhalation...could be interesting later on

Interesting observation, Sass. Let's keep an eye out for the Inhalation thing from here on. Do you think it's for all Radiants, or just Windrunners?

[Droughtbringer]

4 minutes ago, bleeder said:

Interesting observation, Sass. Let's keep an eye out for the Inhalation thing from here on. Do you think it's for all Radiants, or just Windrunners?

Well I think it does connect, when Shallan first Soulcasted she did turn it to blood, we don't know much else though..

Prologue to WoK
"Szeth breathed in deaply, drawing forth the stormlight..."

He had the Windrunner blade, so that seems, to me at least, confirmed.

Edited October 12, 2016 by Sasooner

[ARARITA he/him]

some good ole synchronicity that I just happened to read this post right after rereading Dalinar's Midnight Essence vision -- the tan eyed Knight Radiant - when she heals Heb and Taffa  - she uses a fabrial? that is made of Topaz and Heliodor - definitely healed flesh - not sure if bone was healed as well