Question on realms

[Arook he/him]

So a couple of threads got me thinking. All things in the physical realm also have cognative and spirital aspects but, the cognative realm can have things that do not exist in the physical realm and do so to with the spiritual realm. Objects or entitys fron the other 2 realms can move into the physical realm and have form there. So is it possible for one to go to the spiritual realm from the physical and interact there. Could you destroy someones spiritual aspect and what effect would that have on them.

I just want to hear some thoughts on this.

[Edgedancer he/him]

It should be possible in theory.

For example, a Shardblade cuts in the spiritual realm and Hermalurgy can rip someones spiritweb apart, so that is a pretty good connection .

[Isomere]

I would also love to know more about this. I've mused that someone destroyed the physical and cognitive form of Adonalsium, but wasn't able to destroy the spiritual. Pure speculation though.

I also suspect that there may be more impact between the realms than we recognize. Spren are mostly cog/spirit, but they DO manifest some physical traits. We also have WOB that all things exist in all three realms, but that doesn't rule out realmatic imbalances. (ie, an object with too little physical substance to support the spiritual body it is linked to)

[Kyzkle he/him]

I would think that going to the spiritual realm to attack the spirit of another person would have the same effect as attacking it in the physical realm: they would probably cry and give in to whatever you wanted of them. If one were to actually travel to the spiritual realm, you would simply perceive the actions differently. The attacker would "See" the soul being beaten up, but outside observers would see the attacker verbally abuse the victim or something. Completely destroying the spirit would have the same effect regardless of how it's done: the person would lose all will to live and likely commit suicide or otherwise give up on life.

 

 

We also have WOB that all things exist in all three realms, but that doesn't rule out realmatic imbalances. (ie, an object with too little physical substance to support the spiritual body it is linked to)

 

I actually disagree that there can be imbalances between the realms. It's not just that something exists "more" in one realm or another, it's that it is simply easier to describe and relate to when perceived from a specific angle.

[Aether he/him]

I actually disagree that there can be imbalances between the realms. It's not just that something exists "more" in one realm or another, it's that it is simply easier to describe and relate to when perceived from a specific angle.

Then how would you explain Lift's peculiar situation where Wyndle's claims she is partially in the Cognitive Realm? Whether or not his exact take on it is irrelevant - she can touch and interact with him while other humans cannot, thus this there is clearly an "imbalance" or something similar that is less expressed for her than for others.

[Oudeis he/him]

Then how would you explain Lift's peculiar situation where Wyndle's claims she is partially in the Cognitive Realm? Whether or not his exact take on it is irrelevant - she can touch and interact with him while other humans cannot, thus this there is clearly an "imbalance" or something similar that is less expressed for her than for others.

 

I disagree that there is only one interpretation. Humans have spiritwebs, and they have cognitive aspects. There's certainly the idea that this is what "balance" is, and that Lift is imbalanced, because her physical aspect extends partly into the cognitive. I don't think your one interpretation is "clear" at all.

[Aether he/him]

I disagree that there is only one interpretation. Humans have spiritwebs, and they have cognitive aspects. There's certainly the idea that this is what "balance" is, and that Lift is imbalanced, because her physical aspect extends partly into the cognitive. I don't think your one interpretation is "clear" at all.

I do not quite get what you're saying. You say you disagree, but then you go on to make the same argument as me - only to again state that there is not just one possible interpretation. At least that is the way I read it. I am not saying this to be crass; I am honestly just a tad confused.

And I didn't really make any attempt at postulating any "one" answer, as I was particularly refuting the previous post. Something is different in Lift's case as compared to other humans, which lets her touch cognitive things while other people cannot. This directly contradicts the assumption that the Realms are just different perspectives of the same thing. I have however at this time no alternative hypothesis that describes the true nature of what is going on there.

EDIT: sp

Edited January 18, 2014 by Aether

[Oudeis he/him]

I do not quite get what you're saying. You say you disagree, but then you go on to make the same argument as me - only to again state that there is not just one possible interpretation. At least that is the way I read it. I am not saying this to be crass; I am honestly just a tad confused.

And I didn't really make any attempt at postulating any "one" answer, as I was particularly refuting the previous post. Something is different in Lift's case as compared to other humans, which lets her touch cognitive things while other people cannot. This directly contradicts the assumption that the Realms are just different perspectives of the same thing. I have however at this time no alternative hypothesis that describes the true nature of what is going on there.

EDIT: sp

 

Well now I'm confused by your confusion... you say that there's an "imbalanced" that Lift expreiences "less"? Implying that you think that most people are inherently imbalanced, but Lift is less imbalanced than others? I was trying to say, I think people might naturally be balanced, and that Lift might be off-balanced slightly in favor of her cognitive aspect.

 

If I'm misunderstanding your initial point, then I apologize for my denseness.

[Aether he/him]

I am confused by the confused confusion...? xD

Let us leave it at that. Anyway, I do not know if "imbalance" is the proper description. Lift has a presence in the Cognitive Realm that most people do not. Now that I think about it, I would not necessarily say she is more "balanced towards the CR", just that he she has a bigger presence there without having to be less in the PR to do that.

[Oudeis he/him]

I am confused by the confused confusion...? xD

Let us leave it at that. Anyway, I do not know if "imbalance" is the proper description. Lift has a presence in the Cognitive Realm that most people do not. Now that I think about it, I would not necessarily say she is more "balanced towards the CR", just that he she has a bigger presence there without having to be less in the PR to do that.

 

Hrm... when you say "Lift", are you talking only about her physical aspect? That her physical aspect is "balanced towards the CR"? If so this may be the confusion, as when I say Lift, I mean the body, the cognitive aspect, and the spiritweb.

[Aether he/him]

I like to think of the essence of things as independent of the Three Realms which then "bleeds" into them to different degrees where it then takes the final form of (in this case) "Lift". In my example, she has a greater foothold in the CR without this in turn necessitating a lesser one in the PR.

I doubt this is the way Brandon made it, but I find it to be a useful tool to avoid confusing myself by first thinking of things as independent of the Realms, and then about how the Realms affect/form them.

This is slightly out of opic, though, as we seems to be more or less in agreement about the end result if not about the way we present/explain it. Though to reiterate, if we think of the Realms as "Gateways" to the essence of a person/thing, then I believe that Lift's Cognitive gateway has been opened slightly more than what is normal for a human (without in turn closing the P and S gateways).

And now, I believe I might have succeeded in confusing you even further

[Oudeis he/him]

And now, I believe I might have succeeded in confusing you even further

 

Yes. =D

 

 

This is slightly out of opic, though, as we seems to be more or less in agreement about the end result if not about the way we present/explain it.

 

Good idea.