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I am aware that not a lot is known of Harmonium, apart from:
- Alloying lerasium and atium can't make it
- reacts a LOT
- You can react other things with it to GET lerasium and atium.
But I have a few theories on it's nature.
WARNING: SCIENCE STUFF BELOW, YOU DON'T HAVE TO READ IF YOU DONT WANT TO
In beta radiation in atoms, a neutron (with a relative charge of 0) transforms into 2 different particles of opposite charge: usually a Proton (+1) and an electron (-1) or positron (-1)
This makes sense, as combined the charge is still 0, which matches the charge of a neutron.

MY theory is that Harmonium works kind of like that; It ISNT Preservation+Ruin, not EXACTLY, as when they combined it just makes something new; harmonium, kind of like how real compounds work: carbon + oxygen makes Carbon dioxide, which is a gas nearly completely different from it's initial components.
But (accroding to coppermind), Harmony is still a fusion of preservation and ruin, which have 2 different INTENTS. 
So I think that it's physical form is, similar to real life compounds, very much different from Lerasium and Atium, though it can be seperated to form the 2 God metals the same way beta radiation (mentioned above) works.
It's conflicting intent contributes to it's reactivity (confirmed by coppermind).
I think when Harmonium touches pretty much anything, it's intent is in conflict as to how to interact with it, causing a reaction.
As for what happens when you burn it, I have 2 theoris:

FIRST: You'd have to do it very quickly, or else I feel like it'll combust in your stomach or something due to how reactive it is.
SECOND: I think that it's conflicting intents will force it to choose a side; or else when you try to access it's power, due to the conflicting intents, the powers would cancel. So to be honest, I feel like it might actually be pretty useless when you burn it. Maybe it automatically connects you to harmony or something.

Please give me your thoughts.

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42 minutes ago, Denisimo said:

I am aware that not a lot is known of Harmonium, apart from:
- Alloying lerasium and atium can't make it
- reacts a LOT
- You can react other things with it to GET lerasium and atium.
But I have a few theories on it's nature.
WARNING: SCIENCE STUFF BELOW, YOU DON'T HAVE TO READ IF YOU DONT WANT TO
In beta radiation in atoms, a neutron (with a relative charge of 0) transforms into 2 different particles of opposite charge: usually a Proton (+1) and an electron (-1) or positron (-1)
This makes sense, as combined the charge is still 0, which matches the charge of a neutron.

MY theory is that Harmonium works kind of like that; It ISNT Preservation+Ruin, not EXACTLY, as when they combined it just makes something new; harmonium, kind of like how real compounds work: carbon + oxygen makes Carbon dioxide, which is a gas nearly completely different from it's initial components.
But (accroding to coppermind), Harmony is still a fusion of preservation and ruin, which have 2 different INTENTS. 
So I think that it's physical form is, similar to real life compounds, very much different from Lerasium and Atium, though it can be seperated to form the 2 God metals the same way beta radiation (mentioned above) works.
It's conflicting intent contributes to it's reactivity (confirmed by coppermind).
I think when Harmonium touches pretty much anything, it's intent is in conflict as to how to interact with it, causing a reaction.
As for what happens when you burn it, I have 2 theoris:

FIRST: You'd have to do it very quickly, or else I feel like it'll combust in your stomach or something due to how reactive it is.
SECOND: I think that it's conflicting intents will force it to choose a side; or else when you try to access it's power, due to the conflicting intents, the powers would cancel. So to be honest, I feel like it might actually be pretty useless when you burn it. Maybe it automatically connects you to harmony or something.

Please give me your thoughts.

I wish we knew what God metals looked like in the molecular, atomic and nuclear scales. I wonder if we could get god metals combined with other, non-metals. Maybe Lerasium Oxide? Raysium di-chloride? 

The force required to split harmonium was massive. But, we don't know if it's breaking metallic bonds between atoms level or if it's separating an atom's nucleons level. 

Harmonium, when molten, does begin to differentiate though. I wonder if Intent should be treated like electrical charge and that liquid Harmonium is 'magnetic'. That would explain a lot, except that when you can have 16 possible Intents, it's not just positive or negative. Standard electrical charge can be shown on a number line, but Intent requires a 16-dimensional hypercube.

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I suppose, though I would say instead of a hypercube it would just involve 16 axes (which I suppose can be interpreted as dimensions, but I prsonally would not choose to do so as that is an absolute head-banger to try to work out_

1 minute ago, KaladinsSenseOfHumorSpren said:

I wish we knew what God metals looked like in the molecular, atomic and nuclear scales. I wonder if we could get god metals combined with other, non-metals. Maybe Lerasium Oxide? Raysium di-chloride? 

The force required to split harmonium was massive. But, we don't know if it's breaking metallic bonds between atoms level or if it's separating an atom's nucleons level. 

Harmonium, when molten, does begin to differentiate though. I wonder if Intent should be treated like electrical charge and that liquid Harmonium is 'magnetic'. That would explain a lot, except that when you can have 16 possible Intents, it's not just positive or negative. Standard electrical charge can be shown on a number line, but Intent requires a 16-dimensional hypercube.

 

5 minutes ago, KaladinsSenseOfHumorSpren said:

I wish we knew what God metals looked like in the molecular, atomic and nuclear scales. I wonder if we could get god metals combined with other, non-metals. Maybe Lerasium Oxide? Raysium di-chloride? 

The force required to split harmonium was massive. But, we don't know if it's breaking metallic bonds between atoms level or if it's separating an atom's nucleons level. 

Harmonium, when molten, does begin to differentiate though. I wonder if Intent should be treated like electrical charge and that liquid Harmonium is 'magnetic'. That would explain a lot, except that when you can have 16 possible Intents, it's not just positive or negative. Standard electrical charge can be shown on a number line, but Intent requires a 16-dimensional hypercube.

Wait, when Sazed tok the shards ruin and preservation, does harmony count as a single shard with conflicting intents, or as 2 shards with conflicitng inteents.

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3 minutes ago, Denisimo said:

I suppose, though I would say instead of a hypercube it would just involve 16 axes (which I suppose can be interpreted as dimensions, but I prsonally would not choose to do so as that is an absolute head-banger to try to work out_

 

But how would you fit those 16 axes? If you had 1/2 Ruin, 1 Cultivation and -0.3 Ambition, it wouldn't be clear what the values are. Anyways you can just say it like (0.5,0,0,0,0,1,0,0,0,0,0,-0.3,0,0,0,0)

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2 minutes ago, KaladinsSenseOfHumorSpren said:

But how would you fit those 16 axes? If you had 1/2 Ruin, 1 Cultivation and -0.3 Ambition, it wouldn't be clear what the values are. Anyways you can just say it like (0.5,0,0,0,0,1,0,0,0,0,0,-0.3,0,0,0,0)

I kinda imagined it as like a star.... with 16 axes.
Probably a mathematical abomination, and i have NO idea how you are going to fit a grid in there, but thats the best thing I could come up with

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1 minute ago, Denisimo said:

I kinda imagined it as like a star.... with 16 axes.
Probably a mathematical abomination, and i have NO idea how you are going to fit a grid in there, but thats the best thing I could come up with

Yeah a star would be quite ambiguous. If you had positive charge in both the very top and very left Intents, then it'll look like the top-left Intent. So 16D monstrosities are unavoidable :P

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6 minutes ago, KaladinsSenseOfHumorSpren said:

But how would you fit those 16 axes? If you had 1/2 Ruin, 1 Cultivation and -0.3 Ambition, it wouldn't be clear what the values are. Anyways you can just say it like (0.5,0,0,0,0,1,0,0,0,0,0,-0.3,0,0,0,0)

OOOOOO WAIT it could be kinda like a colour wheel
THouugh idk what the opposites of the other intents might be.

3 minutes ago, KaladinsSenseOfHumorSpren said:

Yeah a star would be quite ambiguous. If you had positive charge in both the very top and very left Intents, then it'll look like the top-left Intent. So 16D monstrosities are unavoidable :P

image.png.efeab76bc0584932bc0f9ba1b5993153.pngSO it would be like a Hexadekeract. Hot darn, that looks like a physical representation of epilepsy.

Posted
7 hours ago, Denisimo said:

I suppose, though I would say instead of a hypercube it would just involve 16 axes (which I suppose can be interpreted as dimensions, but I prsonally would not choose to do so as that is an absolute head-banger to try to work out_

 

Wait, when Sazed tok the shards ruin and preservation, does harmony count as a single shard with conflicting intents, or as 2 shards with conflicitng inteents.

single shard

Posted
10 hours ago, CoderDrag0n8 said:

single shard

Thanks for the clarification.

Posted
26 minutes ago, Denisimo said:

Thanks for the clarification.

course. I do, after all, have all of the mistborn books. (And I frequent the mistborn forums). Even Arcunum Unbounded (Secret History)

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