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Alarm set, going for T4... Because I tied for both the Elsecaller and Windrunner orders on the quiz (58% on both) and the only reasonable solution is to get both orders .....and every other to be sure I have all the relevant goodies. #Windcaller what a awesome order name!

No there is nothing SOLID but I do think there is "potential" for her to become a Edgedancer (loving/Healing), I mean lets face it Lifts not going to be leading the order.... she is however the least likely IMO to become a Radiant from those I listed.

The Kholin family already has three confirmed radiants (Jasnah, Dalinar, Renarin) , with a reasonable case to me made for up to four more all carrying the same last name in Elhokar, Adolin, Navani & Shallan if the marriage goes through. That's a Whopping total of Seven should they all swear the oaths. Now I do know that some of these are a stretch, but quite solid cases can be made for all. The question is does anyone think this is a problem? Something to keep in mind also is that it appears that some orders of spren (eg: Wyndle) are able to choose their "human" based on attributes other then personality/traits as was shown with Lift so a Spren choosing someone like Elhokar is perfectly possible should they decide a person in a position of power is needed (Presumably guiding their selected human towards a Radiant's path). Should you have solid arguments as to why any of these could NOT be a Radiant i'm interested to hear it.

Yeah I want him to get the extra cash

Does anyone know the ETA of Signed copies of WoR from the Sanderson store? I have a complete collection of signed cosmere works and I'm looking to fill this one spot....

Here is my take with a few changes in BOLD Generals/Public Relations- Bondsmiths Reconnaissance/Rapid response - Windrunners, Skybreakers Heavy Infantry - Stonewards Artillery/Heavy weapons- Releasers (aka Dustbringers), Skybreakers Special Forces - Edgedancers Medics - Edgedancers, Truthwatchers Intelligence Analysts (desk bound intel officers- Truthwatchers Military Police - Skybreakers Field Intelligence/Propaganda/Espionage - Lightweavers Logistics (food/supplies/housing) - Elsecallers, Lightweavers Transportation/Communication - Elsecallers, Willshapers Engineering - Willshapers

I'm Inclined to agree though I think that they will be regarded as at least Highprince level or even above, Until they become more common till then I see them outranking all but Kings then once numbers swell to say several dozen they will start to be removed outside of the chain somewhat, though It seems that there will still be leaders for each order as per the top floor of Urithiru having 11 short podiums which I presume is for the ten orders "Leaders" to have meetings and the 11th being for someone to "address" the gathering. Once this happens these "Leaders" of each order will I expect command at LEAST king level social status.

I know that we already have the Kholin family, with at least three and possibly even four Radiants within & I know this bothers some people though realistically the values of parents are often transferred to their children and with how the Nahel Bond functions I personally think this makes sense and have no problem with it. But back to the point I'm gonna throw down my speculation for the record that Lirin (Kaladins farther) will become a Radiant. His attitude and morals just scream future radiant to me ...though I really have no idea where he would fit in ...considering he is pretty much a complete pacifist ....Edgedancers (Loving/Healing) or perhaps Willshapers (Resolute/Builder) seem good places for him. This all depends a lot on what we find once Kal gets back to Hearthstone & how much events have managed to change Lirin's personality.

Thanks for the link sorry for re-posting on something you already started, I do like your deductions too. However again I find that the abilities you give the surge make it too similar to Transformation in practice. Who cares if you can deform objects to new shapes/uses when another surge can simply "create" them from air/stone. Something about this surge just makes me think of it more like "that group had good Cohesion" as if this surge helps everyone work more as a team. Basically a communication surge but with a name that makes it seem more of a "force".

I'm about 1/4 of the way through a much slower reread now but has anyone noticed any details on how this surge will work or even solid thoughts on the subject. Currently this is the only surge which I just have Zero idea how it will function. Looked up a few definitions. here is the google one: the action or fact of forming a united whole. "the work at present lacks cohesion" synonyms: unity, togetherness, solidarity, bond, sticking together, continuity,coherence, connection, linkage, interrelatedness This has me wondering if perhaps it can create some kind of "extra" bond between Radiants, sharing experiences/Knowledge/information... power(s), Perhaps something else entirely? Though it could just be a direct opposite of Division and simply joins objects but that seems way too close to adhesion to me Your thoughts.....?

All is well lol, I just miss edited the image when I updated it, I was meaning to follow KiManiak's suggestion and put one of them in the wrong spot ...I will fix it shortly . Yes I agree that makes no sense.

I'm going to favor order#5 as Willshapers for now as to me that sounds more like a Illusion radiant name then Truthwatcher also the Truthwatchers sound more like information gathering Radiants and therefor the Transportation surge seems important ...could well be wrong a lot of this depends on exactly what Cohesion entails

Very nice I knew someone one would already have this wrapped up for me all your reasoning is solid with the only exception being the surges being in order from the Ars Arcanum but for i'm gonna say i'm 99.9% sold on this anyway if it's a red herring then its so convincing who could be blamed to taking the bait. 8/10 in order then swap the last two, I doubt it

*EDIT filled it in fully Your opinions and reasoning behind where you would place Truthwatcher Bondsmith Cohesion Tension The Final so far unnamed order EDIT: *Willshapers (thanks KiManiak) i'm only just starting my first re-read now.

I'm on the sunshine coast and have been trolling every books store I walk past (or drive 30min out of my way to walk past) for a possible early copy for the last week or so. No luck I have all of Brandon's cosmere works In Hard cover and signed from his web store so I'm just gonna get a e-book Asap and get my signed hardback in a month or so ...then a paper back once i see one for re-reading and friend lending I recommend fishpond.com if you want to order and get it asap its a Aussie company and the shipping will be as short as your gonna get.