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When you get the whole thing transcribed, go ahead and add it to the compiled WoB thread.
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Wow, thanks for asking those. You got answers to some things I was sure would be RAFO. Can't wait for the transcript!
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Obviously you've already made your list, but I thought of another one. "Does one of the new Listener rhythms correspond to the Alethi Thrill?" The answer is probably no, but if it is yes then there are 10 rhythms, one for each Unmade.
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To an extent, at least, this seems likely to me given the ketek from Navani's journal. It could be that the whole thing is written as a single large glyph, and that's where the reflection comes from, but since the whole idea is that words are repeated, I assume that each glyph appears twice. Therefore, it seems to me that horizontal reflection has no bearing on a glyph's reading.
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Suddenly the name strikes me as ambiguous. I have been thinking of "unmade" in the sense of retrograde development, i.e. something was made but you just took it apart, un-making it. However, it occurs to me that something could also be "unmade" in the sense of arising spontaneously, i.e. not created because it was already there. How have the rest of you been interpreting the title?
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Those same quotes bothered me, too. It would also be useful to find out when the diagram was written--it could have been any time after his Nightwatcher visit, weeks or years. I still want someone to ask how many parties there were to the original Oathpact. (If it doesn't make it into a signing, I may need to just order a personalized book to find out.) This seems vague enough to not be RAFO bait, but still tell us a number of things. Likely answers and what they reveal: 3 means it was just between the Shards (2 means Cultivation wasn't directly involved) 13 means the Heralds signed on right at the start, rather than being designated as "champions" or something after the agreement with Rayse was formalized 23 means the Unmade were also involved, and the pact is more symmetrical than it might seem
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I guess I was assuming that the compass rose locations have nothing to do with Urithiru the city, only with lat/long lines. Then the mythology of Urithiru resulted in this stylized glyph used for the compass rose in some maps. (In others, it's still just the sun symbol, or whatever.) Harakeke, where else is it showing up? Is it really the same one?
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It is still plausible that the compass rose could read as "Urithiru," regardless of placement. Culturally it makes sense to assign the reference for navigation and direction to the seat of power that guides people and nations. Urithiru has become a metaphor, and using it as a "guiding star" on maps would not be surprising.
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I'm a little late to the party. Excellent work by all, especially the projection lines and spherical transformation. Looking at the Frostlands map, the coastline appears funny to me. The two coves south of the fort near Shallan's landfall are oddly similar, and the whole stretch of coast is made up of similarly sized inlets. Some of the lines describing these are continuous, while others fail to connect to their neighbors. In fact, many of the inlets/outcroppings look remarkably like the Thaylen letters that Harakeke decoded for us. Is it possible that there are words written into the map itself?
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I think the consensus is that Hoid was referring to Cultivation--that was certainly my reading of it. My guess is that these other worldhoppers don't go quite as far back; still plenty of time to acquire a decent collection, though. It does seem curious to me that these shardic (or at least cosmere-important) items would be on display where untrustworthy contacts like Veil could see and potentially damage them. That suggests to me that these really are trophies of past exploits, not powerful items being gathered for a long term goal. (Unless Brandon just wanted to cameo some artifacts, which is also possible.)
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Great analysis and discussion. I'm sorry I'm late to the party. I'm still thinking through this, Assuming three same-period-different-eccentricity orbits as posited above, what are the factors for or against them sharing the same plane? Would you expect them to have the same tilt relative to Roshar? Also, Leiyan, if you want to edit the OP with a link to the most recent version of your analysis, that might be useful for people just arriving at the thread.
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From ch. 27, Kaladin looking up from the bottom of a chasm: "That blue sky seemed so distant. Unreachable. Like the light of the Halls themselves." So the Tranquiline Halls are (at least assigned to) a physical, astronomical feature. Star, planet, or something else, the Halls have a faint(?), distant light visible from Roshar. Whether the object(s) identified by Rosharans as the Halls actually correspond to whatever inspired their mythology of it is debatable, but I rather suspect that it/they do.
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Great job! Also, welcome to the forums. Good to have you here. I'd like to see David's shooting-the-helicopter-from-a-motorcycle scene, or Abraham facing down the gang. Also, these may get seen by more people if you upload them to the gallery as well. (Link is at the top next to "forum")
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WoB is that Szeth has the same power set as the Windrunners, so if (as most assume) herald powers and Szeth's powers both come from Honorblades, then we can be sure that herald powers match up with the radiant orders.
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Ah. Point illustrated. Those were some interesting curves, though.
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Good points--I guess I didn't quite follow what you meant/which shapes you meant the first time around. I definitely didn't mean to say you hadn't done your research--the links were more intended to share the neat images with everyone on the forums. Hmm...I wonder whether a plate with varying thickness (I'm imagining something pounded on by a blacksmith, so it has imperfections) might create some of those more complex, odd shapes. Definitely not very reproducible, so Kabsal is unlikely to be as convinced of universal truths that way, but still...
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Great work, Satsuoni. You've put a lot of effort into this, and I applaud the attempt to find cymatic patterns of Rosharan cities. I particularly enjoyed your eigenvector shapes video, and the attempt at Thaylen City. Metal plates such as Kabsal used have all sorts of harmonics in their resonance frequencies. Fine sand (also tiny seeds, salt) is used in exactly this way to produce visible patterns on metal plates, instrument sounding boxes, etc. I'll post some of my favorite links below, but you can also start with a video search for Chladni plates, or image search for cymatics. Recommended links: A video of almost exactly what Kabsal did. In particular, the shape formed at about 1:33 caught my attention as being similar to the glyph for Order 8. Cool! Great video of Chladni plate driven with pure tones. Pattern at 1:13 resembles Thaylen City Cymatics.org has some really beautiful images, including one that resembles Kholinar. (Top left and bottom center) This artwork site has images (originally from cymascope.com, but this site has a better layout) of patterns made from musical notes and the human voice. Scroll down to the phonology and musicology headings. (I've also embedded one of them below.)
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Also interesting is this comment from Peter on that page: I was imagining more shape-based meaning, similar to Chinese or Japanese characters, but this will be more amenable to 17S deciphering if we can get a good fix on the crucial phonetic elements.
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Somehow I missed this connection until now: There is a group called the Oldbloods, with members set apart by a specific tattoo! I'm sure a lot of people picked up on this, but it's only been mentioned on the forums twice so maybe others have overlooked it too. So the Ghostbloods don't exist in isolation. They are one of at least two societies, probably more. (Can anyone think of a number that might be significant on Roshar?)
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I was going to stay on the boards until release day, but even the daily glimpses and the speculation about them are getting a bit too risky for me. I think I'm going to take a hiatus until I finish the book. That won't be super fast, this time (life and stuff happening), so I'll be back in a few weeks, probably about the time all the fevered excitement is dying down. I'm sure everyone will enjoy their read of WoR almost as much as I do. Can't wait to see all the cool cosmere details everyone digs up at the various signings. New book and fresh WoB, incoming!
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page 498 illustration (the four cities / cymatics) --- background
ccstat replied to Eri's topic in Stormlight Archive
The background letters look mirrored to me, which you would expect if it is visible through the page or stained from a facing page. Is it more legible if you reflect the image L->R? -
Thanks for checking on that. Way to track down answers!
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Okay, according to the original post about Greater Roshar, Braize is confirmed as the 3rd planet in the system. No info specifically on where Ashyn and Roshar fall. The linked post suggest strongly to me that the other shardworlds are not moons of Roshar but planets in their own right. (Also,if Roshar has .7g, and its moons are small and low, they will have much lower gravity themselves and likely not be particularly habitable.) Regardless, we haven't seen Ashyn yet--it's the setting for Silence Divine, not Shadows for Silence--so no oddities or lack thereof to explain away yet.
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My first thought was a warning to Syl about Darkness, but there are multiple other possibilities.
