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Either that or they just splinter it out on some abandoned rock. But yes, I'd wager this is bigger than Odium. But if something's bigger than Odium, what'd the 17th Shard REALLY up to? EDIT: Ruin could edit the prophesies to fit his needs. What if Odium has a similar power, and is using it to get Jasnah, Shallan, and anybody they tell their theory to, to focus on the Parshmen while Odium calls in the real Voidbringers? I doubt it's text editing as that's been done before, but I'm willing to bet Odium has something similar.

I'm fairly sure most of Aluminum's value comes from the fact that it can't be allomantically affected. And I wasn't suggesting Atium as currency.

In Mistborn, the economy is heavily based on Allomancy and Feruchemy. Atium and Aluminum are prime examples of this. They are both very powerful when you take allomancy into account, and therefore are worth a lot. So it makes very little sense to me that both the Final Empire and the New World used gold coins. Gold is almost worthless Allomantically, judging by the mental trauma it can cause. So....why is it used as the base coinage? Why not iron or steel?

In the event that the WoA Mistborn was burning copper, that gives us another instance of stacked copperclouds that should have confused Vin. (But did she even burn bronze in that fight? I don't think she did) Still, how did Vin pick up on Shan and her other Mistborn buddy? I'd assume they were close enough for their clouds to mingle, so it makes no sense that Vin picked up on her.

The odds of Jasnah being totally wrong are slim, but the odds of her getting more than a tenth of it right are slim as well. We have 9 more books in which to battle the forces of Odium, and I'd be sad if she was too close in her guess.

2: Yes, oxygen is good. Oxygen is great. If ever an "Olympics" type event happened they'd have to check athletes for metalminds. It'd be like us checking for steroids 3: It'd be sort of difficult. Swallow chromium dust to look like regular metals intaken from foods, and store luck in each speck of it or something. 4: An oracle is somebody who can see their own future, not the future of others, so having them for palm reading is kind of redundant unless they read themselves. Chromium compounders would be dangerous. They'd just find coins under every rock, Lerasium inside their showerhead, and shardblades in their underwear drawer. It's not even funny how scary that would be.

I'm fairly sure Sazed would have noted that it was an old person both mistdeaths he saw in WoA, but he didn't. THis leads me to believe the mist were killing perfectly healthy adults as well. And I'm not saying Ruin can make the mist attack people. No, the numbers would stay at 16%, just the deat rate within the 16 would increase.

Woah, totally forgot about Shan. And I'm fairly sure the Mistborn in WoA didn't need copper, there was a Smoker nearby, so we don't have any proof of that. But yes, I'm guessing they don't stack based on the new information.

Alright, so it sort of makes sense now. I'm still thinking that they'd need to be from Sel based off the unfamiliarity with Scadrial but the many Sel comparisons.

Cones is right. We've listed all likely possibilities, but at the end of the day, we lack the information to know anything. [sad]

Everything has a cognitive aspect, though it is usually only there in the form in which others think of it as. Only sentient things get a congnitive form of what they think. But...say.... investing some of yourself into a bubble that only you can't leave might give it some thoughts. But I don't think that's it.

Just because Preservation can Ruin to Preserve doesn't mean he can create with the weenie piece of Ruin it may or may not own. I'm working on a theory that all old shardholders have pieces of Adonalsium in them, but even that wouldn't work considering how corroded Leras has become.

That actually makes a remarkable amount of sense. Totally wacko idea: Time bubbles are their own little worlds, just with a different movement of time. The space where one world ends and another begins is all spazzy because of the completely wierd thing going on in that space, which can then alter momentum. /crazy Does time pass differently on different Shardworlds? If you left Sel and entered Roshar directly, would it be like leaving a time bubble?

I agree, bad example. It's just a little odd that there's 2 mentions of Sel and not a single one of anywhere else Wait. Don't Elantris and Mistborn, as well as AoL, ALL take place before Wok and WB? Haven't seen the timeline in a while, but I think that's fairly accurate. It would simply mean that at this time there wasn't anything to record or compare to...

I just find it slightly suspicious that there is no mention of any world other than Sel. You'd think they'd compare to other worlds, such as similarities between lashings and pushes. Somebody suggested that all reports are sent to one person, who then compiles them into the Arcanum, which would mean whoever sent in the notes from Scarial was limited to Sel-Scarial activities. Either that or they just fail at comparisons.

Alright, anybody who read the Ars Arcanum in Alloy of Law was bound to notice the various Cosmere references. It outright mentions the Cosmere and names the world Sel. What I couldn't help but notice was that the only planet it mentions is Sel. Nothing on the worlds of WoK, Warbreaker, or White Sands (Though WS may not be complete enough to do that with). This leads me to believe that the AA author is from Sel, and either is new enough to have not visited any other world is is somehow confined in activity to Scarial. They also don't seem to view Hemalurgy as evil, and even states that it has interesting applications to the Cosmere (Though Hemalurgy doesn't have to kill, it still rips out your soul, and that's pretty evil to me)

No fear for getting the city wrong, Aiden is so absurdly good with numbers, and Raoden isn't bad either. I'm sure they could pull it off. If all else failed the tatoo thing works. I wonder if Jaddeth is Dominion? Seems obvious to me. Maybe even too obvious... And how on Sel is having everybody be a worshipper of Jaddeth going to unsplinter a shard? I can see that going to interesting places...

Demented creationspren? Slenderspren? I need to know what orders Jasnah and Shallan are in to make any judgement, but it's entirely possible that Jasnah has some secret creationspren attracting talents she's hidden somewhere.

The Women who can read aren't fighting, the Men who can't are. They'd never regongnize Dawnchant. Furthermore, it's indecipherable, and I doubt anybody took the time to memorize what looks like gibberish to them, so even if they heard the Parshendi, the lack of memorization and knowledge of pronunciation would hinder them from recognizing it. The sacredness of stone and the Parshmen getting stuck on a slab of it has to be connection. Brandon doesn't leave any details of that kind alone, he works with them. Especially if it's gonn abe 10 books.

Spren as Voidbringers? Gemhearts as Voidbringers? Those have to be the craziest, most absurd, inexcuseably random theories I've heard on these forums. I love it. Something even more Brandon-like would be to completely destroy the theory of Parshendi being Voidbringers, throw us a few red herrings, and then have it turn out they really were the VBs, and then everybody dies. And yes, I love the fact that Jasnah catches what everyone misses, and misses what everyone catches. If she knew about shards, I imagine her studies would progress much more quickly. Either that or she'd disregard it. But I guess that's what Shallan is for.

Ignore the above sentence. Leras was able to stab Elend, which is essentially Ruining to Preserve. I'm still left to wonder how there's still a Lerasium bead around. Did Sazed do that on purpose?

I imagine a Slider's bubble would cause the Seer to be able to react to what they do. It gives the reflexes to cope with the shadows, so it might give you enough to overcome the disorienting effect of Bendalloy. Either that or the shadow would move to fast you'd be thrown off and your Atium would be near useless. I kinda like the first.

Not true. I think the reason you can see the ripply edge of the bubble is because light distorts on the way in/out, but either self-corrects or something similar. Either that or the riplle is caused by the realmatic consequences of bending time and space. I've always wondered what happens if you throw up a bubble that only includes half a nearby person, the poor sucker being half in and half out of it. How would half a heart work? Half a brain? I'd imaging it'd kill you depending on what parts of you are in and out.

It just makes sense to me that Ruin would be able to push the mists harder, even if it was only by a tiny bit, in order to hopefully kill the one beings snapped. Seems a lot like him to get the mists to kill a larger group of people. The above applies even more after Ruin got released. It would be completely within his power to make the mists hit harder, and it would make them seem even more evil in the eyes of the people.

Best parts: It's said so often, but it's so true. High Imperial was by far the best of all moments. The idea of Spook's dialect being our equivilent of Latin is ROLF material. (I wonder how he managed to pull that off anyways...) Wax's bad knife throwing made me chuckle. Wayne's talisman against logic had me cracking up And the Harmony, Marsh, Breeze, and Kelsier references made me absurdly happy. Marsh and Harmony are win. I spent forever contemplating how to kill Miles. I honestly assumed he had some more explosives on him when they started tying him up. On a side note, he probably did what I would: Slice off each limb and hide a goldmind inside before regrowing it. For those who didn't like Alloy, please remember that it was more of a filler than anything. On top of that, we got the wonderful world of Twinborns to screw around with until th enext book arrives. As for there being no Mistborn, it's inbook, and therefore untrustworthy. They'd be so rare it'd be hard to find one, and I seriously doubt that any family would let out a secret like a Mistborn. I'm all for them existing, albeit much more rarely.