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Ruin was trapped on Scarial for as long as Preservation lived, was invested in a human race, and had a nice shardholder. Odium is uninvested, free to move as far as we know, and has a distinctly bad guy as a shardholder. I can see Odium being worse under those circumstances.

WIP. We got into a discussion of new numbers and stuff. Frickin long.

This would fit better under General Discussion. Harmony.

Sigzil seems like Roshar's equivilent of a Keeper. Worldbringer, worldsinger, yeah. It's quite possible Hoid started both these oranizations actually.

I think you're looking at Honor wrong. To me, honor is to act with fairness. Argh. It's like Tempi describing Lethani. The path that shows a path. This is impossible >_> Point is, you're talking about honor in the stage where it has gone too far. Never abandoning a friend when you can save them, not killing people because you can, charity. All things of honor that aren't really what I'd call oppressive. Yes, Honor could take the harsh and evil honor route, but from what I've seen all he wants is a world where people act with honor, which is not a bad thing. Honor applies outside of war, and what Honor misses is the way people used to be. Dalinar's plan is fine, war or not. The Alethi are quite happy to backstab and betray. Even in a "united" war, they're the kind of people who leave one of the kings stranded between two armies. Without a war, they would be the ultimate example of Darwinism, crushing one another without a thought. Dalinar thought he could give them the principle of honor an dlet them expound on it, but they're simply to hateful for that. He's not necessarily brainwashing them, he's rebuilding their ethics from the ground up, something that would need to be done even without a war. Yup, thta's my soapbox.

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It's a direct reference to Miles' philosophy. He mentions that his law was an alloy of the roughs and the city laws. Likewise, Shadows of Self, the sequel, seems ot refer to him and other Augers as well.

Think of Allomancy and Feruchemy. They can be used for some pretty horrible things, yet we seem to consider them good. Hemalurgy is no different.

As a few of you know, I've been picking up a lot of my old dead stories I wrong forever ago and finishing them. I was working on one, the Titleless one, and I started to wonder if the way it is written was even good to begin with. It has three POV characters, each in the different nations, individually plotting to pretty much ruin one another, eventually meeting in the middle. As I type it here it feels less and less workable. I'm planning on changing it over to a single nation in the dark about most of what is going on in the other two, but I'd like some feedback first. Responses?

It's true, but I think it has something to do with what's in the book, not the book itself. It's contents and stories are irrelevant, it's following them and actually being honorable in a world of hatred that counts. At least, that's the way I see it. THe potter could have easily been an honorable person.

Humans are not native to Roshar, and their mythology regarding the Tranquiline Halls is at least partially correct in that sense. They got kicked out far enough back that they've pretty much forgotten all historical events of the time, and the shards of Honor and Cultivation followed them to Roshar, or moved them. It's been long enough for the ecology to have developed, and no, I don't think Roshar could sustain life previous to the shardic intervention.

I find it unlikely that a darkeyes was reading The Way of Kings. It's probably something else entirely.

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Way I see it, the Highstorms were originally Cultivation's stuff. Being a crem-bearing storm primarily, it makes sense. Honor hopped on the badwagon, and only later did Odium come along and make them nastyevil.

Better yet: How are the people selected for visions? Didn't Dalinar only start having them once he began acting honorably?

Oh wow. Now I wanna be a Pulser Living time capsule. 'Nuff said there.

Harmony can offer advice, but his old set of beliefs as well as his intent prevent him from taking an active role in things. Marsh is one of the few exceptions to this rule. I doubt a Pathian would ever actually be asked to do something for Harmony, though Kelsier himself is anothe rmatter entirely. We can't clainm to fully understand what's going on with him and what he can do. Harmony won't meddle, but Kelsier isn't above a little mischief. Especially....spike related...mischief.

Hum, I guess that's a better idea. As you progress, you can influence the shardic intent, but the longer you hold it the less your interpretation matters and the more general the meanings become. Eventually your entire personality is eroded and all that is left is a force of nature with a mind. I like it better.

I piss people off. It's seriously to the point of being supernatural. Put me in the same room with another person and I can have them spitting fire within an hour. It's mostly under control, but at toally random times I'll whip out an overly whitty insult that hits far too close to the mark, and a few minutes later I'm out the door wiht a bruised butt and a smarting sense of pride. It's scary.

Alcatraz and co. stretched all reason, and just about every main character broke the fourth wall more than once. It was funny, amazingly so in fact, but it stretched the abovementioned suspension of belief to almost breaking point. I loved the book, but the fourth wall issues still exist.

Don't forget that, though Ati was kind and generous, good intentions can quite often lead to percieved evil. We know very little of personally of AtiRuin, and it's quite possible he was working towards what was once a good motive, but was corrupted for Ruination. You forget, he was on the same planet as his polar opposite. His Shard's intent would be spazzing out trying to get rid of his enemy, and leaving Preservation alone would be beyond Ati's power. Maybe Ati wanted to go find his other shardic buddies, but doing so required killing Preservation? What was once potentially an innocent idea corrupted into the destruction of a world. The power of intent could very possibly block of certain thoughts from every reaching you in order to keep itself going, almost on a Spider Man symbiote level (Super geeky reference, sorry :/). TL;DR: He might have had good intentions, but the presence of Preservation and the intent screwed it all up.

It's not against the KR rules, Syl just didn't like all the death.

It's easy to draw connections in a setting like this, but honestly I'd be suprised if there WASN'T a color-based religion on just about every world. It sounds like th ekind of thing you'd get a religion out of. Warbreaker just happens to be here too. Argh, that came out all wrong >_> We're drawing connections where no connection need exist. Warbreaker is about color, but religions can be about color too without ever needing a connection. This is simply too baseless, as cool as it would be otherswise.

I think this works as well. As to what emeralis said, I never said the name will change you in the same way. That would make no sense. Each person is different, and sees names a different way. The name would only slightly tamper with their original personality, and the tamperin would follow along with their own personal perceptions. But how others see you works. Unless you are counted as others. In that case not much has changed. I guess that only way to prove this would be to take twins and expose them to the exact same things, but give them different names. Huh.