Shard of Reading he/him Posted February 4, 2021 Posted February 4, 2021 Guys, I'm not going to be online this whole weekend because I'm going to a church camp. I won't be able to do anything for a little after this, so I'm going to put out a vote, and then I'm not really going to be able to respond to anything else. Lotus, because gut. I think what I found elimmy about them was their read list.
The Unknown Medallion he/him Posted February 4, 2021 Posted February 4, 2021 Just now, StrikerEZ said: Yes...but that's not a good thing if an elim grabs it. Fair, we just need to have more village try to grab it.
StrikerEZ he/him Posted February 4, 2021 Posted February 4, 2021 Just now, The Unknown Order said: Fair, we just need to have more village try to grab it. That's what we want either way, no matter if the items show up at night or in the day. But by having them show up in the day, we can know exactly who to watch since we see who first gets the item. And the person who does can tell us if they lose it. And then we can start searching for it. And both the village and the elims would be motivated to work on finding the item.
The Unknown Medallion he/him Posted February 4, 2021 Posted February 4, 2021 1 minute ago, StrikerEZ said: That's what we want either way, no matter if the items show up at night or in the day. But by having them show up in the day, we can know exactly who to watch since we see who first gets the item. And the person who does can tell us if they lose it. And then we can start searching for it. And both the village and the elims would be motivated to work on finding the item. Fair, but we can always Making scan people.
Illwei Posted February 4, 2021 Posted February 4, 2021 1 minute ago, The Unknown Order said: Fair, but we can always Making scan people. The night of? so many people to scan how do you choose? and...if you do, then that's one less person reaching for the shadowblaze? Actually! Wonderful plan! Elims! you guys use Making to find which one of us got it, don't worry about getting it yourselves. nope, not neccessary :P.
StrikerEZ he/him Posted February 4, 2021 Posted February 4, 2021 3 minutes ago, The Unknown Order said: Fair, but we can always Making scan people. We can also use crabs on people. But I’d rather be able to strategize when and how we use Making and the crabs rather than just anyone frantically using their items to try and find the power items. With the map used at night, no one has to even start searching for the item until the person who grabbed it says they lost it.
Ashbringer he/him Posted February 4, 2021 Posted February 4, 2021 (edited) 58 minutes ago, Illwei said: Ash, you failed to acknowledge my post where I point out that Alv waited 2 turns before using his Map, you did not pressure him, and your argument about there being no more maps is false as there is a map in the supply. I'm impressed I managed to fail to acknowledge your post while simultaneously giving an incorrect argument in a direct-quote-response of your post: 12 hours ago, Ashbringer said: ... I was a bit preoccupied with someone else And that was before we ran out of maps. True. I don't know what Alv did N1; I'd have to go back and look. But he also used his Map the turn we needed it, because last turn there were zero Maps in the supply because Unknown Order, Random Bystander, and Alv had all grabbed them. There's one there now because Alv triggered his Map this turn and it refilled with another one. 2 hours ago, TJ Shade said: I disagree with Ash btw. Better if elims don't know who has Shadowblaze so they cannot Revoke it. If the elims have it we'll get to know it because we know what the strength of the wild chalkings should be and if it's greater than that, it means they have it. And if we do this and they have it, we can do absolutely nothing about it. Then we have to worry about our defense being cut short and Archer being compromised, or worry about getting defense vs using crabs to find the Shadowblaze again. Unless someone started with the Revocation Specialty, I'm the only one who can steal items that isn't the Thief. Normal Revocation would just put it back in the pool again. If we know who has the Shadowblaze, we can either clear someone or find an Elim, or force the Elims to waste chalk disguising themselves. Edit: Also, Making scan is... target scan? I don't think that helps find the Shadowblaze? Edited February 4, 2021 by Ashbringer
StrikerEZ he/him Posted February 4, 2021 Posted February 4, 2021 36 minutes ago, Ashbringer said: Unless someone started with the Revocation Specialty, I'm the only one who can steal items that isn't the Thief. Normal Revocation would just put it back in the pool again. If we know who has the Shadowblaze, we can either clear someone or find an Elim, or force the Elims to waste chalk disguising themselves. I know of one player that started with a Specialization in Revocation, but I have already confirmed with them that they have not stolen from you or Archer.
Ashbringer he/him Posted February 4, 2021 Posted February 4, 2021 ... well, that does complicate things.
The Unknown Medallion he/him Posted February 4, 2021 Posted February 4, 2021 Fine, someone convinced me not to in a PM, I'm taking chalk instead.
Alvron Posted February 4, 2021 Posted February 4, 2021 @Illwei, why would Ash go after me for not using the Map N1? At the start of that Night, we had plenty of Chalk and Acid in the supply so there was no reason for me to do so. It feels to me as if you're reaching for something that's not there. Using the Map on the first Night is utterly pointless unless we were in desperate need of more supplies.
Illwei Posted February 5, 2021 Posted February 5, 2021 1 minute ago, Alvron said: @Illwei, why would Ash go after me for not using the Map N1? At the start of that Night, we had plenty of Chalk and Acid in the supply so there was no reason for me to do so. This had been cleared up :P. I still don't think that it makes complete sense to me, but it also doesn't feel elim-y to me unless Order/the person I keep having to restrain myself from calling "Ruby" are Elims/one is an Elim. But- something else that I'm not remembering but I was going to write down earlier. mmmm kinda the other thing was if you are an Elim? But I still TR Ash, and ER you and Random....so... idk. idk. 9 minutes ago, Alvron said: It feels to me as if you're reaching for something that's not there. Using the Map on the first Night is utterly pointless unless we were in desperate need of more supplies. I mean, people knew you had map, who knows! thief could steal! someone could steal! You could be killed! who knows! idk. I'm not saying that it would make sense for him to have gone after you, I was asking why he chose to go after the two newer players instead of you. which he answered :P.
Ookla-son-son-Ventyl Posted February 5, 2021 Posted February 5, 2021 4 hours ago, StrikerEZ said: I know of one player that started with a Specialization in Revocation, but I have already confirmed with them that they have not stolen from you or Archer. I am that one person. Also, @Kasimir, I was indeed the one who used vote manipulation on Illwei. I figured that at least one person was going to do the same with Matrim so I decided to try and counteract that. And I still do find them suspicious.
Illwei Posted February 5, 2021 Posted February 5, 2021 1 minute ago, Ventyl said: And I still do find them suspicious. coolio! aint nothin' i can do about that! But no see see, Both Mat and Quinn flipped Vil! no one should suspect me at all for anything! ;). 12 minutes ago, Ventyl said: I figured that at least one person was going to do the same with Matrim and now I have no chalk ;-; extremely sad. Ventyl your votes don't feel right to me. *sigh*. You overexplained your votes on mat on D1 imo, and then D2 you stick a vote on me with a "that's sus" sticker. But like, I forget what because I didn't write it down like a fool...something I had that was just like: there is no reason for you to do this as an Elim (not the danex switch, something else) but idk. I had other thoughts but I got sidetracked and...Now I don't remember what I was saying :P.
Burnt Spaghetti she/her Posted February 5, 2021 Posted February 5, 2021 13 hours ago, Gears said: I bet you the item you successfully grab that you will successfully grab an item. Hrm. You would rob a poor lass of her first won item? D: How about, compromise, I have to use what I grab immediately
Araris Valerian he/him Posted February 5, 2021 Posted February 5, 2021 I'm trying to make sense of the votes we've had so far. People that stand out are: @Lotus, who voted on Archer post-claim @Shard of Reading, who has only voted once on Lotus, and didn't mention the above (which I would think deserves a mention) @StrikerEZ, who voted Matrim D1, but then on Illwei D2 @Gears and @The Unknown Order, who haven't yet voted. Gears in particular stands out, since he isn't new @Burnt Spaghetti, who voted to save Matrim D1 but not D2 I'd be curious to hear people's thoughts on and explanations of these things. My initial impression is that Lotus is probably village, since that would be a major slip for an elim. Similar with Reading, I would think an elim would mention the thing about Lotus. I'm not sure about Striker. He is on my village reads list, and I trusted him with my LoW last night, but that doesn't mean a whole lot. I'm actually pretty suspicious of Gears at this point. I'm pretty sure the lack of a N1 kill fits his profile, and the lack of votes isn't helping the village. Burnt is also sort of suspicious, for similar reasons to Matrim, but she isn't on my village list. I'm not sure she fits the no N1 kill profile (I'm assuming this was intentional), but the inconsistent stance toward Matrim is weird. New player ordering: Spoiler Lotus Reading Kas Unknown Striker Anyone not listed (above is village, below is elim) Devotary Ash Ventyl Archer Illwei Burnt Gears
+Lotus she/her Posted February 5, 2021 Posted February 5, 2021 I somewhat approve of the connie X but would like to see some more solid reasoning before I decide to join
Illwei Posted February 5, 2021 Posted February 5, 2021 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said: since that would be a major slip for an elim. Similar with Reading, I would think an elim would mention the thing about Lotus. Er, what was the slip you're talking about? 24 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said: I'm assuming this was intentional Why? Why couldn't they have hit TJ or Quinn? 24 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said: He is on my village reads list, and I trusted him with my LoW last night, but that doesn't mean a whole lot. Nice to know EDIT:; 23 minutes ago, Lotus said: I somewhat approve of the connie X but would like to see some more solid reasoning before I decide to join What makes you "somewhat approve" right now? Edited February 5, 2021 by Illwei
The Unknown Medallion he/him Posted February 5, 2021 Posted February 5, 2021 33 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said: who haven't yet voted. Gears in particular stands out, since he isn't new I haven't felt sus of any of the exe targets, I was most sus of Striker, buy even that was minimal.
Illwei Posted February 5, 2021 Posted February 5, 2021 @Archer Yo just a quick question How much would you absolutely hate it and want to kill me irl if I got the shadowblaze, gave it to you, and then got the village to kill you to lower the chalklings strength? :3
Araris Valerian he/him Posted February 5, 2021 Posted February 5, 2021 49 minutes ago, Illwei said: Er, what was the slip you're talking about? Lotus voted on Archer, a confirmed villager. Basically, I don't think she was paying attention, which I generally read as village.
Illwei Posted February 5, 2021 Posted February 5, 2021 Just now, Araris Valerian said: Lotus voted on Archer, a confirmed villager. Basically, I don't think she was paying attention, which I generally read as village. Oh, I definitely didn't see that as a Slip, but as someone who didn't want to vote on the two people who would actually die :P.
Archer he/him Posted February 5, 2021 Posted February 5, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Illwei said: @Archer Yo just a quick question How much would you absolutely hate it and want to kill me irl if I got the shadowblaze, gave it to you, and then got the village to kill you to lower the chalklings strength? :3 It would be better to give it to a villager to lower their strength repeatedly. Edit: I meant up the defense @Sart can the Thief start with a specialization? Also, the most recent quicklink appears to be broken. The over protection looks like Elims trying to gain village cred, so I'm naturally suspicious of anyone really advertising that they helped tonight. Or maybe RNG just messed it up. Quinn seemed paranoid about being killed tonight. I'm curious if they discussed it in anyone's PM's. I'm naturally suspicious of any vote manipulation, especially when the will of the village is to let fate decide. TJ bribed me to vote on a villager, which an Elim could use to frame Illwei. Ventyl also vote maniped, and was slow to tell the group. They removed a vote from Illwei, which could be an Elim trying to frame Illwei, or protecting a teammate. If TJ and Ventyl are teammates, they could have done the double tap instead of a single to counter an Illwei self pres manip. If Illwei was teamed with TJ they'd have avoided cancelling the bribe. If Ventyl and Illwei are together, they would not have known about the bribe and their actions would make sense. So to recap: Illwei and TJ are not both elims, Ventyl and TJ could be e/e, Illwei and Ventyl could be e/e. TJ's bribe is consistent with their support of Illwei in debate and D1 Mat vote. They were wrong, but it seems consistent. So I'll add the pressure on Ventyl. I really didn't like their manip. Edited February 5, 2021 by Archer
Illwei Posted February 5, 2021 Posted February 5, 2021 Just now, Archer said: It would be better to give it to a villager to lower their strength repeatedly. It would also be able to be stolen more easily. I think the best options are get the thief to take it out of the game, which could be giving it to the thief on the day they need one more item, or giving it to you, which would consume it. Feels too risky to me otherwise. idk. 1 minute ago, Archer said: which an Elim could use to frame Illwei Or pocket Illwei >> 2 minutes ago, Archer said: They removed a vote from Illwei, which could be an Elim trying to frame Illwei, or protecting a teammate. they they removed a vote from matrim. They removed my vote on matrim :P. Definitely wouldn't be the best course of action to frame me, as I'd be dead if not for...well, one of me/tj. TJ/Ventyl most likely not E/E, because ....that would be an interesting move to make :P. 4 minutes ago, Archer said: Illwei and TJ are not both elims Illwei/TJ E/E about as likely as Ventyl/TJ, Imo. I understand you made this post on the Assumption that Ventyl just tried to save me tho, which, if he did I would join you in a heartbeat :P.
|TJ| he/him Posted February 5, 2021 Posted February 5, 2021 9 hours ago, Ashbringer said: And if we do this and they have it, we can do absolutely nothing about it. Then we have to worry about our defense being cut short and Archer being compromised, or worry about getting defense vs using crabs to find the Shadowblaze again. Unless someone started with the Revocation Specialty, I'm the only one who can steal items that isn't the Thief. Normal Revocation would just put it back in the pool again. If we know who has the Shadowblaze, we can either clear someone or find an Elim, or force the Elims to waste chalk disguising themselves. Oh, I see. All this to try for the Shadowblaze, and failing which, you get to know the person who took it and snatch it from them xD Ash, I swear I'm going to be so annoyed if you - HEY, I just thought of a brilliant idea of using Shadowblaze as an alignment scanner! Every cycle we can pass it to someone who we think is a villager. If the strength of the chalkings doesn't increase more than expected, we can hard-clear them as village! Of course, the aim of this is more to hard-clear villagers than to find elims because then we would have to deliberately give it to suspected people and if they're elims then it's out of our hands, but then Ash (if he's village) or normal revocation can be used to get it back and now we've found an elim. Thoughts? Is it.. game break-y?
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