Koloss17 She/They Posted December 3, 2020 Posted December 3, 2020 So I was wondering how you can get more breath without needing to have it given willingly. It’s a fairly simple question. But it is a complex solution. one option is taking it from a lifeless awakener’s stuff. This is a in-world cheat, but it has to be in a very particular scenario. So it’s not quite for the average person. another option is through blanking your identity or adopting another person’s spiritual identity. This will allow anything you make to be taken by anyone without need for consent if it is stored in an object, and possibly even taking it from other people’s objects, kind of like stealing metalminds. That one is a tough one, given that the only way we know how to do that (as far as I’m aware) is through aluminumminds. It is a tough thing to pull of for an ordinary person, again. A third option is nicrosil compounding. Sadly, it requires a very rare set of powers. It is definitely not for the average person, but it is the easiest way to get a TON of breaths with the least amount of effort. A fourth option is kind of cheating the system. This is using rioting and soothing. They still have to give it willingly, but you can manipulate their willingness to do it. Still not for everyone, but more common than the other three. this fifth one is the easiest for the average person to do, but it is the least effective. That is through drugging someone. This can be through normal alcohol or through more serious stuff. This will be doing what a soother or rioter can do, but more...diluted. It will not be a sure way to get it, but it makes it easier. that is the list of knowledge I know, but there is doubtlessly more. Can the grand beings of the shard come up with more?
Weltall Posted December 3, 2020 Posted December 3, 2020 (edited) The most obvious way to get Breath is to have lots and lots of money and just buy as much as you need. Yes, that still requires willing donors but it's also relatively easy. 31 minutes ago, Koloss17 said: one option is taking it from a lifeless awakener’s stuff. This is a in-world cheat, but it has to be in a very particular scenario. So it’s not quite for the average person. Unless I'm missing something, that's the opposite of what we've been told. We know that Breath that's been used to Awaken something remains keyed to the Identity of the original person even after they're dead, such that a Returned could reclaim their own former Breath. Per that same WoB a Lifeless probably could not because they lack that Identity link but they might be able to in unusual circumstances. That doesn't mean the Breath is suddenly up for grabs, it's still locked to the original Identity and can only be claimed by that person. Quote another option is through blanking your identity or adopting another person’s spiritual identity. This will allow anything you make to be taken by anyone without need for consent if it is stored in an object, and possibly even taking it from other people’s objects, kind of like stealing metalminds. That one is a tough one, given that the only way we know how to do that (as far as I’m aware) is through aluminumminds. It is a tough thing to pull of for an ordinary person, again. If you were to use hemalurgy to steal an Awakener's Identity (via H-Duralumin) you might be able to retrieve Breath from things they'd awakened and if an Awakener had blanked their Identity before using their Breaths to Awaken things you might also be able to retrieve those Breaths if you blanked your Identity, but that's a really unusual situation that's not likely to just happen. Quote A third option is nicrosil compounding. Sadly, it requires a very rare set of powers. It is definitely not for the average person, but it is the easiest way to get a TON of breaths with the least amount of effort. We don't actually know if F-Nicrosil can compound Breath or if it would only store something like the effects of having Breath (temporarily) or the ability to Awaken or something else entirely. We do know that if you had Breaths keyed to your Identity in metal you'd Awakened and you burned the metal you'd just get the Breaths back, this would quite likely be the case with stored Breaths as well. What we've seen of F-Nicrosil so far is more like storing the ability to do something rather than the fuel for the magic itself. The Bands contained feruchemical charges because that's how the magic works but it didn't store X amount of allomantic power, it just contained the ability to perform allomancy and its bearers still had to get metal before they could actually do it. Edited December 3, 2020 by Ookla the Crimson King 2
Aspiring Writer Posted December 4, 2020 Posted December 4, 2020 Guys, just pull a Hoid/God-king and make yourself the head/center of a religion to make everyone give you breaths for free, and you ca pay them if you want when your filthy rich. Easiest way, no effort, and plenty of side benefits. 1
Koloss17 She/They Posted December 4, 2020 Author Posted December 4, 2020 9 hours ago, Aspiring Writer said: Guys, just pull a Hoid/God-king and make yourself the head/center of a religion to make everyone give you breaths for free, and you ca pay them if you want when your filthy rich. Easiest way, no effort, and plenty of side benefits. Smart! Takes some effort, not quite cheating endowment, but smart!
+robardin he/him Posted December 4, 2020 Posted December 4, 2020 17 hours ago, Aspiring Writer said: Guys, just pull a Hoid/God-king and make yourself the head/center of a religion to make everyone give you breaths for free, and you ca pay them if you want when your filthy rich. Easiest way, no effort, and plenty of side benefits. Or, if they haven't been exposed to this particular concept yet, you could try to perpetrate Nalthis' first ever Ponzi or pyramid scheme. "Give me your one Breath today, and you can join our network of Breath Builders as a Team Lead! Recruit your own Team who give you THEIR Breaths, but you only have to pass up to me one Breath per month to retain access to our marketing materials, keeping the rest as profit! One of the first people in Hallendren joined my Team just three months ago, and now she is of the FOURTH HEIGHTENING!" 2
Raven Wilder Posted December 5, 2020 Posted December 5, 2020 Does coercion violate the "willing" part? Like, if you told someone, "If you give me your Breath, I will, in exchange, not beat you to death with a shovel."
ftl Posted December 5, 2020 Posted December 5, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Raven Wilder said: Does coercion violate the "willing" part? Like, if you told someone, "If you give me your Breath, I will, in exchange, not beat you to death with a shovel." Well, the first chapter of Warbreaker - where Vasher gets Vahr's breaths - indicates that coercion works. I'd interpret "willing" to mean "The person has to say the words, clearly and knowing the words they're saying and Intending to transfer the Breath". Doesn't mean that wasn't coerced or incentivized. Edited December 5, 2020 by ftl
Koloss17 She/They Posted December 5, 2020 Author Posted December 5, 2020 I’d say coercion isn’t exactly cheating endowment. It does effect your willingness to say the words, like with alcohol or other drugs, but the person would generally be right of mind and aware of what they are doing, unlike with alcohol or other drugs. So while it might be a tactic for getting more breaths more easily, it isn’t cheating the system.
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