Philomath she/her Posted February 3, 2019 Posted February 3, 2019 So I couldn’t find if this has been brought up before. (And 119 pages to look through is just too much) So at the end of TFE after Vin has killed the Lord Ruler, she is trying to decide if she should go see Elend. She decides to leave but then remembers how Reen didn’t betray her. And then she hears in Reen’s voice, “Go back.” And as we learn in later books, most often when she hears Reen’s voice, it is actually Ruin. So... is this Ruin speaking to her? And if so, why would Ruin want her to go back to Elend?
+Invocation Posted February 3, 2019 Posted February 3, 2019 I think that's a reaction to the most recent set of information she has about Reen, that he died protecting her even under torture, and her "Reen's advice" compass reflected that in that very moment. 1
RShara she/her Posted February 3, 2019 Posted February 3, 2019 There are times when it really is Vin remembering Reen, and times when it's Ruin. Basically, when it follows naturally from her thoughts, it's her memory of Reen. When it's more of an imposition, then it's probably Ruin.
goody153 Posted February 3, 2019 Posted February 3, 2019 (edited) Yeah sometimes she remember's Reen. Sometimes it's just Ruin whispering in her head. Ruin influence is actually so effective. She can't actually tell whether it is your thoughts or just his voice. He can even make you do things or encourage you to do things without even realizing as if you were doing it on your own will(that's with Vin knowing about Ruin's existence) Edited February 3, 2019 by goody153
Lidolas he/him Posted February 6, 2019 Posted February 6, 2019 I think every time Vin hears her brother, it's really Ruin. Ruin is playing the long game. I think he knew that Vin would need Elend's influence to get to the point that she would release the power at the Well.
Scion of the Mists Posted February 7, 2019 Posted February 7, 2019 14 hours ago, Lidolas said: I think every time Vin hears her brother, it's really Ruin. Ruin is playing the long game. I think he knew that Vin would need Elend's influence to get to the point that she would release the power at the Well. It's actually Ruin most of the time: Quote Questioner [PENDING REVIEW] Reen and Ruin, how much of the personalty that we saw in the books was Ruin, her actual memories, and how much of it was actually Reen? Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] Most of what you saw was this kind of weird amalgamation, because it's getting filtered through her memories and things like this. You can see mostly Ruin at that point, but there is some actual Reen in there mixed in. Maybe twenty-eighty. Eh, twenty five-seventy five. Skyward Atlanta signing (Nov. 17, 2018) 2
Lidolas he/him Posted February 7, 2019 Posted February 7, 2019 @Scion of the Mists I see that WoB as saying that every time she hears her brother's voice, that it's a mix of Ruin and Reen. That Ruin influences it every time. Not that 25% of the times it is just Reen and the rest are just Ruin. Just like Ruin 'adjusts' the writing so they are still partly correct.
+Invocation Posted February 7, 2019 Posted February 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, Lidolas said: @Scion of the Mists I see that WoB as saying that every time she hears her brother's voice, that it's a mix of Ruin and Reen. That Ruin influences it every time. Not that 25% of the times it is just Reen and the rest are just Ruin. Just like Ruin 'adjusts' the writing so they are still partly correct. Ruin would probably encourage it most of the time, yes, but there's certain times where it's just her remembering Reen's teachings. Like the one time it happens when she doesn't have her earring in. 1
Scion of the Mists Posted February 7, 2019 Posted February 7, 2019 15 minutes ago, Lidolas said: @Scion of the Mists I see that WoB as saying that every time she hears her brother's voice, that it's a mix of Ruin and Reen. That Ruin influences it every time. Not that 25% of the times it is just Reen and the rest are just Ruin. Just like Ruin 'adjusts' the writing so they are still partly correct. Oh, I see what you're saying. I agree (with a few exceptions, as @Invocation pointed out).
Lidolas he/him Posted February 7, 2019 Posted February 7, 2019 @Invocation @Scion of the Mists I'd forgotten about that time. Thanks for the reminder. But if I remember right, the instance that the OP is referencing, the earring was in. And I think Ruin knew that if Vin lost Elend, she would most likely hold on to the power at the Well. 1
Ripheus23 Posted February 7, 2019 Posted February 7, 2019 On 2/2/2019 at 9:20 PM, Philomath said: And if so, why would Ruin want her to go back to Elend? Because in MBE4, book 3, when the Second Catacendre has taken place, the Cognitive Shadow of Trellservation will be susceptible to Hemamancy, but if and only if Vin returned to Elend at that exact point 2,365,712 books earlier.
Andersmage Posted February 11, 2019 Posted February 11, 2019 At the time, you assume it's just her subconscious starting to "maybe" heal a little bit. As the story goes along, and you learn more, the question does come up. However, since Sanderson does like to write stories that are complete, I think it's fine to consider it healing, and not Ruin at that point.
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