+Lewis Nethur He/Him Posted June 5, 2017 Posted June 5, 2017 So I had a thought about unsealed/unkeyed copperminds and the Soverign's medallion that Wax uses at the end of BoM. Wax taps the medallion and immediately experiences the vision contained within. It occurred to me that, considering the clarity of the vision, which to him seems to have felt as real as if he had lived it himself, he was extremely lucky that the medallion didn't contain a memory of a horrifying nightmare, been filled with nefarious messages aimed at his subconscious, or contained any other traumatic memory. I had a couple ideas I wanted to propose to the community for discussion: Do you think it would be possible to fill/manipulate a copper medallion in such a way as to cause the next person to tap it to be, in some capacity, brainwashed, permanently altered mentally, or driven mad? Bonus points if it can be done without them being aware of the change, otherwise they could just refill the metalmind... In an interrogation or intelligence gathering scenario, could a person be reliably compelled to fill a copper medallion as a means of extracting information from them while simultaneously removing that information from their brain? Would it be possible to determine if they were holding back information? If a person who was not particularly adept at using copper feruchemy filled a copper medallion with, for the sake of example, their knowledge of mathematics, while they were actively filled with murderous rage, might the person who taps that coppermind end up filled with some or all of that murderous rage? Thoughts? 1
Fakeout Posted June 7, 2017 Posted June 7, 2017 For the first one, it could potentially happen but you have to remember that when the coppermind is created, the Feruchemist making it would have to experience whatever brainwashing/madness inducing event in order to remember it and then store it away. This makes me wonder, however, if a Feruchemist could actively store in his coppermind as the torture is happening and thus have no memory of the events or have any negative effects on their psyche. This would essentially turn them into a vegetable while it was happening though, I would think.
Dawnshard Posted June 8, 2017 Posted June 8, 2017 Not necessarily. It records memories. If you were to write down a hypnosis script and then read it aloud only storing that memory then when a different person tapped it, they could become hypnotized. It would depend on mental strength I think. Really cool idea!
coppercloud Posted June 9, 2017 Posted June 9, 2017 9 hours ago, Dawnshard said: Not necessarily. It records memories. If you were to write down a hypnosis script and then read it aloud only storing that memory then when a different person tapped it, they could become hypnotized. It would depend on mental strength I think. Really cool idea! Along the same line what if the person filling the metal mind had a vivid imagination and was tapping zinc could creating a false memory . Then in the false memory plant subconscious cues/triggers . 2
+Lewis Nethur He/Him Posted June 9, 2017 Author Posted June 9, 2017 Exactly! Because the user would be absorbing the memory into their brain as if it belonged to them, I feel like there's a lot of room for exploitation. If someone were to store two memories at once together in a coppermind, for example: how to bake bread combined with a short list of reasons they believe all of society's problems can be blamed on the koloss-blooded, the person who tapped it might be so focused on the information they're intentionally absorbing that they don't recognize that there's some weird background information being pumped into their skull. Further, what if you had two people store everything they could into two large identitiyless copperminds...could they essentially swap bodies and pull some freaky-fridayish shenanigans? 1
The One Who Connects he/him Posted June 9, 2017 Posted June 9, 2017 6 hours ago, hwiles said: If someone were to store two memories at once together in a Coppermind, for example: how to bake bread combined with a short list of reasons they believe all of society's problems can be blamed on the koloss-blooded, the person who tapped it might be so focused on the information they're intentionally absorbing that they don't recognize that there's some weird background information being pumped into their skull. So this is kinda like the old "subliminal messages hidden in the song lyrics" conspiracy idea?
+Lewis Nethur He/Him Posted June 9, 2017 Author Posted June 9, 2017 11 minutes ago, The One Who Connects said: So this is kinda like the old "subliminal messages hidden in the song lyrics" conspiracy idea? Precisely. Just like how if you tap Sazed's copperminds backwards you received a message from the God Beyond telling you to start fires.
The One Who Connects he/him Posted June 9, 2017 Posted June 9, 2017 2 minutes ago, hwiles said: Precisely. Just like how if you tap Sazed's Copperminds backwards you received a message from the God Beyond telling you to start fires. I just had a moment of wondering if I'm even old enough to be allowed to understand that reference... Either way, now that I get your reasoning, the original theory sounds more viable.
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