Dalinar bonded Honorblade Screamed

[Lift--Wanderer he/him]

I am not confident about what I am about to ask, So if I am being stupid tell me. At the end of Words of Radiance Dalinar became a bondsmith after bonding the stormfather. Then he summoned his Shardblade (Taln's Honorblade) heard screaming after which he unbonded it. As for as I know Shardblades are dead spren and when a Knights Radiant touches them he heards screams but Honorblade are different. Honorblades were given to heralds by Honor and are not spren. When Kaladin took Szeth's blade , He heard no screaming as he heard when he touched a Shardblade. So My Questions then are:

Dalinar heard Screams when he touched an Honorblade but Kaladin did not why? Maybe because Dalinar was bonded to one and Kaladin was not OR if not then........................

If a knights radiant can touch an honorblade So does it imply that Dalinar's blade was not an honorblade but rather a shardblade? if so then the madman Taln is not the Herald? Was the man switched or just the blade?

Could it be due to different orders of Kaladin and Dalinar?

Or does it have something to do with Dalinar? Maybe he is not who we think he is.

[Tarion]

Everything you've said is, unfortunately, built on a faulty premise.

Dalinar never received Taln's Honorblade.

From the Way of Kings:

His muscles glistened, wet as if he’d just swum a great distance. To his side, he carried a massive Shardblade, point down, sticking about a finger’s width into the stone, his hand on the hilt. The Blade reflected torchlight; it was long, narrow, and straight, shaped like an enormous spike.

From Words of Radiance:

White mist coalesced in Dalinar’s fingers, and a Shardblade appeared, tip to Amaram’s throat. Wider than most, it was almost cleaverlike in appearance.

Someone seems to have switched the Blades. Hoid is the most likely candidate. 

[Yata he/him]

As Tarion said the Blades were switched, but it's not Hoid who took it.

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QUESTION

The Shardblade that Dalinar had at the end of Words of Radiance, was that the Honorblade?

BRANDON SANDERSON

The Shardblade that Dalinar had at the end of Words of Radiance that he gave up?

QUESTION

Yeah, that he gave up.

BRANDON SANDERSON

No it was not.

 

QUESTION

It was not? So what happened to the Honorblade that the Herald had?

BRANDON SANDERSON

Nobody kno- Well, somebody knows, but it is not known to the main characters.

QUESTION

Can I ask if uh, Hoid-

BRANDON SANDERSON

If Hoid knows?

QUESTION

Yeah.

BRANDON SANDERSON

Hoid did not take it, but I’m not answering whether he knows.

 

[Pagerunner he/him]

10 minutes ago, Tarion said:

Someone seems to have switched the Blades. Hoid is the most likely candidate. 

Correction: Hoid did not switch the blades.

[Tarion]

Just now, Pagerunner said:

Correction: Hoid did not switch the blades.

Ooh, I hadn't seen that. That's very interesting. I've got no idea who managed the swap then. I mean, who has a Shardblade with no recorded (Alethi) history and was in the position to do it?

[Weltall]

You can't swing a chull* on Roshar without hitting a secret society or a non-native group that's Up To Something, so possibly one of them. Hoid was of course the obvious suspect but Brandon's told us he didn't do it. The window of opportunity seems somewhat brief, though it doesn't really help us narrow things down much. It must have been done either in Kholinar or on the way to the Shattered Plains because by the time they arrived, Taln had the cleaver-like blade that Dalinar eventually bonded. The man who brought Taln to the Shattered Plains is supposedly highly trusted so unless he's secretly a member of one of those societies the only time it might have been done is before Taln left Kholinar. Otherwise I'd presume this man Bordin would have noticed something and told Dalinar.

 

* It's very exhausting, I wouldn't recommend trying it.

[Lift--Wanderer he/him]

Thanks Everyone for your answers. Although now there are more questions in my mind. Hoid did not switch blades. So who is the mysterious swapper? If there was a swap.

Also What would a blade that is long, narrow, straight and shaped like an enormous spike look like? Ahem Anyone ever drew a picture?

 

[Quiver he/him]

6 hours ago, Lift--Wanderer said:

Thanks Everyone for your answers. Although now there are more questions in my mind. Hoid did not switch blades. So who is the mysterious swapper? If there was a swap.

RAFO

Yeah, we don't know who swapped it. I think there are theories about who did it, but we haven't got any answers on that front yet. 

[Spoolofwhool]

Obviously it was Taln, taking the sword back from the man calling himself Taln.

[Weltall]

8 hours ago, Lift--Wanderer said:

Also What would a blade that is long, narrow, straight and shaped like an enormous spike look like? Ahem Anyone ever drew a picture?

My impression would be that the blade just gets narrower and narrower along its length until it tapers to a point like a cinquedea, just longer and pointier. We'll have a rough idea what it looks like eventually because the glyphs that represent each Order are stylized versions of the hilts of the Honorblades and artwork of the full blade (also stylized) come as insets to the books. We've seen the ones belonging to Jezrien, Nale, Chanarach, Shalash, Battar and Kalak so far.

 

[The One Who Connects he/him]

8 minutes ago, Weltall said:

We'll have a rough idea what it looks like eventually because the glyphs that represent each Order are stylized versions of the hilts of the Honorblades and artwork of the full blade (also stylized) come as insets to the books.

Jezrien's Honorblade (the one Szeth holds) is a moderate bit removed from the Honorglyph version(my own term, its faster to say). Same with Nalan's. No inscribed glyphs, no real ornamentation, etc.. They seem so much simpler in design than when Kalak describes them in the Prologue and in the images. So we may not have a proper reference image for his spike blade, assuming that that one actually was his Honorblade.

[Tarion]

On 07/02/2017 at 8:10 AM, Lift--Wanderer said:

Thanks Everyone for your answers. Although now there are more questions in my mind. Hoid did not switch blades. So who is the mysterious swapper? If there was a swap.

Thinking about it, there can't be that many options. We know it was an unknown Shardblade, which rules out most people. And they knew enough about what's going on to find an apparent Herald and their Honorblade. 

Realistically, you've got the Diagram, the other Heralds, the Stone Shamans and various Worldhoppers (Vasher would be a good candidate, but I'm not sure if he had the time - He was busy being an Ardent. He's certainly old enough to have a Shardblade that could have been forgotten by history). Potentially the Sleepless, I suppose. They seem savvy enough, and could fit the "unknown Shardblade" requirement. 

It seems unlikely to have been the Sons of Honor (Otherwise, Amaram would have noticed the swap and realised there was trickery), or the Ghostbloods (Or Mraize wouldn't have needed to send Shallan to research Taln). The Parshendi were out of Blades. Almost everyone else who could realistically be in Alethkar would have a very difficult time maintaining an unknown Shardblade. 

Best bet would be the Stone Shamans. Szeth believed they would be able to collect his Blade, so why not another?

EDIT: Actually, there's another, darker solution for an unknown Shardblade. Any new Radiant could make one, if they were willing to kill their Spren... 

Edited February 8, 2017 by Tarion

[Leviathan]

17 hours ago, Lift--Wanderer said:

Also What would a blade that is long, narrow, straight and shaped like an enormous spike look like? Ahem Anyone ever drew a picture?

 

Clearly there is only one logical explanation.

That blade is actually a giant Hemalurgic spike, which has taken the Investiture of an honourblade and its Herald at some point in the past. Taln is an imposter (possibly a Kandra) from Scadrial who worldhopped, killed the original Herald and stole his power (just to see if it was possible), and then went "Aw crap, there's more Heralds.. I'd better play along for a while so they don't kill me..."

After a bunch of cycles he became kinda indoctrinated (or maybe saw that it was so important and knew he'd better keep it up) and just kept doing it. And that's why Taln kept up his cycle for so much longer than the other Heralds, who abandoned their posts. He was an imposter and so had been doing it a LOT less time than the others had.

[Lift--Wanderer he/him]

2 hours ago, FiveLate said:

It was obviously Stick.....

Without Doubt. Stick..... Also the honorblade is now the second Stick...

[Lift--Wanderer he/him]

13 hours ago, Weltall said:

My impression would be that the blade just gets narrower and narrower along its length until it tapers to a point like a cinquedea, just longer and pointier. We'll have a rough idea what it looks like eventually because the glyphs that represent each Order are stylized versions of the hilts of the Honorblades and artwork of the full blade (also stylized) come as insets to the books. We've seen the ones belonging to Jezrien, Nale, Chanarach, Shalash, Battar and Kalak so far.

 

Thanks. That Seems most likely. I like this cinquedea picture.