Rsyn

[thejopen27 he/him]

I think Rysn is on her way to becoming a Knight Radiant. I think this is why the Larkin chose her. I think her adventurous nature and ironically her Bbasks teachings about respecting and understanding other cultures, embracing novelty and oddity will lead here to become a Willshaper. She has shown Resolve and I think the Willshapers were the Radiants who built trust amongst different cultures and settled disputes.

Any other thoughts on which order if any she wil become?

[Rhaegar'Elin he/him]

Despite her few POV, I have come to really like Rysn so I would be rather happy if she were to become a KR: after the WoR Interlude, she has both her legs shattered and Vstim told her she could never walk again (so this could be the reason of her breaking).

For the Order, based on her lifestyle, I always thought she would be linked to the Transportation Surge so either Willshaper or Elsecaller, with the first being more probable than the latter due to what we know of her. I mean, in one of the WoR Epigraph we read that the Willshaper generally have a "love of adventure, novelty, or oddity" and these seems all quality Rysn has (or could develops).

Anyway, I hope she will have another Interlude in Oathbringer

[thejopen27 he/him]

6 hours ago, Rhaegar'Elin said:

Despite her few POV, I have come to really like Rysn so I would be rather happy if she were to become a KR: after the WoR Interlude, she has both her legs shattered and Vstim told her she could never walk again (so this could be the reason of her breaking).

*Just reread that chapter, Vstim says he doesn't know if shed ever walk again and both her legs are shattered. I think Stormlight would help that. I think information about how Larkin and Radiants were connected will help us know where Rsyn fits in. 

 

I also think the other candidate for Willshaper, if it is possible, is Eshonai. I don't know if it's possible for Listeners to become Radiants, and Eshonai implies that they cannot, I think Eshonai really fits well with the Willshapers. 

Edited December 2, 2016 by thejopen27

[SpeakoftheDeval]

I personally feel that she will be important for other reasons. A larkin is hardly a spren, one allows use of investiture and the other takes it away. Maybe however she will be important as the only person who can control the larkin. For example could the KR use a larkin to suck all the Odium out of a Stormform? Or at least stop them using their powers? I dont think rysn as a KR makes sense but she has potential in a lot of other ways...

[thejopen27 he/him]

On 12/3/2016 at 7:32 AM, MadhavDeval said:

I personally feel that she will be important for other reasons. A larkin is hardly a spren, one allows use of investiture and the other takes it away. Maybe however she will be important as the only person who can control the larkin. For example could the KR use a larkin to suck all the Odium out of a Stormform? Or at least stop them using their powers? I dont think rysn as a KR makes sense but she has potential in a lot of other ways...

Well no, a Larkin isn't a spren. But Larkin were associated with the KR and Rysn seems uniquely attuned with what we know about Willshapers. I think the Tai-Na giving her a Larkin means she will be a surgebinder.

[Krandacth]

5 hours ago, thejopen27 said:

Well no, a Larkin isn't a spren. But Larkin were associated with the KR and Rysn seems uniquely attuned with what we know about Willshapers. I think the Tai-Na giving her a Larkin means she will be a surgebinder.

Ah, in the same way that Ryshadium were associated with KR, and Adolin had a bond with a Ryshadium and is generally considered a man of the people and champion of the down trodden (chatting and joking with the water boys, defending the prostitute, etc)... So he's probably going to be an Edgedancer, right?

[Jame Starmade]

It is my belief that we will only get one KR from each order. I'm not sure why I think this but I do. In which case any order we have already seen would be out of the running. We might see more but I don't think we will see any repeats in the main-ish characters.

[VirtuousTraveller]

On 12/2/2016 at 11:55 AM, thejopen27 said:

*Just reread that chapter, Vstim says he doesn't know if shed ever walk again and both her legs are shattered. I think Stormlight would help that. I think information about how Larkin and Radiants were connected will help us know where Rsyn fits in. 

Her brokenness of having her legs crushed could be the crack in the spirit web to allow a spren to bond with her, however I would wonder if the Stormlight would actually heal her legs.  Kaladin's slave scar doesn't heal, as it's such a vital part of his identity that it doesn't go away when he heals.  If this brokenness that Rsyn experiences is connected to her shattered legs, I'm not sure she'd be one to be up and jumping around with a shardblade or shardplate.

[BrightVoid he/him]

10 minutes ago, VirtuousTraveller said:

Her brokenness of having her legs crushed could be the crack in the spirit web to allow a spren to bond with her, however I would wonder if the Stormlight would actually heal her legs.  Kaladin's slave scar doesn't heal, as it's such a vital part of his identity that it doesn't go away when he heals.  If this brokenness that Rsyn experiences is connected to her shattered legs, I'm not sure she'd be one to be up and jumping around with a shardblade or shardplate.

Stormlight healing works with how someone veiws themselves, which sometimes goes against the reality of their situation.  Kaladin's scars won't heal because he still views himself as a captive, but this took over a year of surviving some of the most brutal conditions possible while dealing with some serious depression.  I'm not sure where Rysn's interlude on the Reishi Isles falls in the timeline, but I don't think that being a useless cripple will become part of her core identity in a hurry.  Especially with her adventurous attitude, if she gains stormlight the first thing she will want to do is go explore her new powers.

As a sidenote, her and the Larkin might get to spend some quality time with the pot of grass.  Might make for some interesting conversations.

[Jondesu he/him]

2 hours ago, Jame Starmade said:

It is my belief that we will only get one KR from each order. I'm not sure why I think this but I do. In which case any order we have already seen would be out of the running. We might see more but I don't think we will see any repeats in the main-ish characters.

I think we'll definitely see multiple Knights from the same orders, major and minor characters included.  After all, if the Adolin as Edgedancer theories come true, he'd be the second after Lift, and [Edgedancer spoilers]

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We've seen another likely Truthwatcher, plus there was Ym who was killed but may have been as well.

I'm hoping we get a number of Windrunners, Stonewards, Dustbringers (Releasers, sorry) and Skybreakers, since they'll be among the best fighters of the orders, and Roshar's going to need that.  More Edgedancer spoilers:

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If Nale gets his head on straight finally, he's got Skybreakers already bonding with spren who could be a huge asset.

 

[SpeakoftheDeval]

3 hours ago, BrightVoid said:

Stormlight healing works with how someone veiws themselves, which sometimes goes against the reality of their situation.  Kaladin's scars won't heal because he still views himself as a captive, but this took over a year of surviving some of the most brutal conditions possible while dealing with some serious depression.  I'm not sure where Rysn's interlude on the Reishi Isles falls in the timeline, but I don't think that being a useless cripple will become part of her core identity in a hurry.  Especially with her adventurous attitude, if she gains stormlight the first thing she will want to do is go explore her new powers.

As a sidenote, her and the Larkin might get to spend some quality time with the pot of grass.  Might make for some interesting conversations.

So we might get Shard(wheel)chairs instead of plate. And maybe if Shallan can translate for the grass then we could get a stick sequel!!!

[Ciridae]

I always assumed that she would become a knight radiant because she was ascribing more and more characteristics to her pot of grass and I somehow thought that this would create some kind of spren. I'm not sure how this would work, but when I was reading thats just what I assumed would happen. On the other hand, I dont know if she really has to become a radiant, the larkin makes her pretty special already.

But I am on board with her becoming a Willshaper, I do think the order fits her well.

[emailanimal he/him]

10 hours ago, Jame Starmade said:

It is my belief that we will only get one KR from each order. I'm not sure why I think this but I do. In which case any order we have already seen would be out of the running. We might see more but I don't think we will see any repeats in the main-ish characters.

I think this is wrong. In fact, as others point out, 

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We have already seen two proto Truthwatchers, two of whom are alive.

 

At the same time, it is probably true in the other direction: there will be a major or semi-major character in the series from each of the ten Orders, and through them we will see the powers of each of the Orders. 

Given this, I do not see other  obvious candidates for Willshapers, so I vote for Rysn too. I used to think Adolin (see below), but some time ago someone was very convincing in defending the Adilin looks like an Edgedancer theory.  Eshonai would also make a decent Willshaper (she is an ambassador of a different culture, humans need to detoxify Parshendi and fight along their side against Odium to ensure that Parshendi never come under the stormform influence again), so perhaps her book will be where we learn about Willshaping. Which is good, because Willshapers sound like awesome folks and I want to find out more about them.

As for Adolin. Post WoR, I based my theory on the WoB that there are orders of KR who would accept Adolin after what he did and Willshapers is one of them. "One of them" does not mean "only this order". What I was thinking though is that there has to be an order of KR that is essentially the anti-thesis to Skybreakers. Skybreakers do what is prescribed by law. What Adolin did was unlawful, but from the perspective of A LOT OF US, and probably, a lot of in-world people, he did what needed to be done. I thought that there has got to be an Order whose Oaths are a form of "I will do what needs to be done" and "I will do what needs to be done even if it means doing things I hate". Adolin's behavior fit those Oaths. Willshapers felt like a good placement for those Oaths.  Dustbringers too perhaps (after all, their power appears to be quite destructive, and using it to destructive ends may be something no one in the order actually likes).  So, there.

 

Edited December 13, 2016 by emailanimal

[thejopen27 he/him]

Wait, why would Adolin be an Edgedancer, he is friendly with everyone but not very attentive. If anything he would be a Stoneward or a Releaser. I know his sword was probably once a edgedancers blade, but Adolin just doesn't fit as an Edgedancer.

[ArchonOfTheStorm]

Wait. No one thinks Adolin will just go bad? I mean....He's murdered someone which, while it may seem justified, is something Kaladin didn't even resort to (Even with the man who practically murdered his brother and entire group of friends) and Szeth hated doing. Almost his entire family and closest friends are KR's {His dad, his brother, his fiance, his aunt, his (?) best friend (kinda)} and that would be tough for him to be the only one who wasn't special. I've done the math and i think the only orders who haven't already had their potential main KR's introduced are the Stonewards and Dustbringers (This is me assuming Rysn will be the Willshaper and Szeth will remain a Skybreaker) and Eshonai will probably fit into one of those roles...possibly. So if he were to become one, it'd be one of those and i just kinda feel like he won't. And there's still that off chance that Shallan will chose Kaladin over him. I don't know about you guys, but all of that would probably lead somone like Adolin to go dark. But again, this is Brandon and that may seem a bit predictable... which Brandon is not.

Edited December 13, 2016 by ArchonOfTheStorm

[BrightVoid he/him]

It would tear me apart to see Adolin go bad, but at the same time Sanderson has already set up a lot of events that could lead to him "going dark".  I could definitely see it happening in Oathbringer.

 

[Guest]

9 hours ago, ArchonOfTheStorm said:

Wait. No one thinks Adolin will just go bad? I mean....He's murdered someone which, while it may seem justified, is something Kaladin didn't even resort to (Even with the man who practically murdered his brother and entire group of friends) and Szeth hated doing. Almost his entire family and closest friends are KR's {His dad, his brother, his fiance, his aunt, his (?) best friend (kinda)} and that would be tough for him to be the only one who wasn't special. I've done the math and i think the only orders who haven't already had their potential main KR's introduced are the Stonewards and Dustbringers (This is me assuming Rysn will be the Willshaper and Szeth will remain a Skybreaker) and Eshonai will probably fit into one of those roles...possibly. So if he were to become one, it'd be one of those and i just kinda feel like he won't. And there's still that off chance that Shallan will chose Kaladin over him. I don't know about you guys, but all of that would probably lead somone like Adolin to go dark. But again, this is Brandon and that may seem a bit predictable... which Brandon is not.

It isn't no one thinks Adolin could go evil, it is more the majority of us believe it an unlikely trajectory for his character. In other words, Adolin simply does not seem to have the right profile to succumb to evil forces.

To make a long story short, I would say Adolin is neither a jealous nor an envious man. He doesn't relinquish power for himself and seems completely devoid of personal ambitions other than just doing his best and giving it all he's got. He simply isn't selfish enough to want power others might have, merely thinking powers and special abilities comes to those who deserves them, who worked hard enough for them. If they do not come his way, than it is merely is because he hasn't done enough, because he isn't worthy enough, but he won't see it as an unfairness absolutely needing to be corrected by any possible means. In shorts, he isn't Elhokar who thinks he ought to have power and influence he does not have without having to work for them simply for being born the son of a king.

Adolin does not think the world owns him favors, he thinks he owns the world favors, which calls for a quite different character path than selling his soul to an evil entity while trying to harm those he has worked so hard to protect. Him, who genuinely just wants to keep his family unit intact and grouped around him.

I would also be wary of drawing conclusions based on Kaladin's actions as both characters are different men. I would however say there are more than one way to be nice and good, just as there are more than one way to be evil. If we are to weight in both characters, I would say Kaladin has essentially been very selfish in wanting to remove Elhokar to settle a personal grudge over the pretense he might eventually make a bad judgement call which might end up in perhaps someone maybe dying. In comparison, Adolin removes Sadeas, a man having done nothing less than promise civil war up until he comes out victorious and his father (and several thousand additional soldiers) is dead. Not once did he think about getting revenge for himself, so while he might have actually done the deed, his intentions were far more noble than Kaladin's and when it comes to Nahel bonds, we all know intentions matter more than actions. Besides, if we are to start to weight in our Radiants and potential Radiants, we would quickly see most have done much worst than poor Adolin and for less justifiable reasons than him, yet all have been deemed "worthy" by a spren or another. 

For the rest, there will be more than one knight per order. Adolin isn't limited to the few orders we haven't gotten a firm "major name" for, especially since he isn't even one of the "main protagonists" of the story. He is thus completely free to join whichever order serves his character growth the best or joined none, if this is where he is going. Evil though truly appears as the lest plausible path for him as it would require him to basically forsook every single character traits which made him stand out so much to begin with.

And for Adolin, nothing is ever predictable: he is the "unexpected character" of the story. The one the author had not craft a story for prior to starting writing the books. He is completely outside any predefined rule which may lead to either a great story arc or a small and insignificant one.