Any ideas on other shards?

[TheDarkKnight he/him]

Brandon has revealed about 10 shards so far. So I just wanted to ask if anyone has any ideas about other shards? Like based on the books if it seems like this shard has affected this world. So far the following shards are known

Ruin

Preservation

Honor

Odium

Cultivation

Endowment

Devotion

Dominion

Autonomy

Survival shard

Thanx!

[ParadoxicalZen he/him]

Survival Shard's intent has nothing to do with fear/surviving apparently, as a WoB quoted by Moogle in another topi said. I was thinking something like Adaptation/Evolution but it's too similar to a Ruin/Preservation/Cultivation combo.

There is another Shard that was splintered by Odium/just sitting in space but I'm not sure if they were one and the same or not

[Stormgate he/him]

I personally want the Survival Shard to be Endurance. Nothing to base it on.

[thegatorgirl00 she/her]

I want the Survival Shard to be Hope.

Then I want Kelsier, who we know by WoB is still hanging around with Harmony having not "gone towards the light", to pick it up and Ascend.

His last words to the Lord Ruler before death was actually clever foreshadowing on Brandon's part.

[The Ninja Yodeler he/him]

I personally want the Survival Shard to be Endurance. Nothing to base it on.

It's a good guess I think. Maybe Perseverance. Its something like survival.

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

Note that what we know about the "survival shard" is that it wants to stay alive. This could be due to a strong intent towards something like perseverance or hope... But it also could be due to an intent that is more selfish than that. We shall see, I suppose.

[natc]

Or he could just be a coward and have an intent that didn't contradict that part of him.

[The Invested Beard]

If there's not a Mercy shard I will be disappointed.

 

Also maybe Empathy.

Edited February 5, 2016 by The Invested Beard

[Haradion Drogon]

I would suggest mercy was embodied in Honour.
Have we discounted that the Survival Shard is simply "Survival"?
I know Odium used to be called "Hatred"
And Ruin was at one point "Decay", in earlier drafts.

So it might be that Sanderson simply doesn't want to lock in specific names of shard's intents until he writes their books?

[natc]

I thought it was confirmed that the shard that wants to survive is explicitly not Survival?

[The Invested Beard]

I would suggest mercy was embodied in Honour.

 

 

I don't know I feel they're two different intents. Honor is about pacts and binding, keeping your word. Mercy is more about compassion and forgiveness.

[Khyrindor he/him]

I would direct you here: http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/52690-unknown-shards-and-opposition-in-the-cosmere/

 

We have been talking about exactly that for the past week and a lot of good ideas have come up. 

[Stormgate he/him]

I don't know I feel they're two different intents. Honor is about pacts and binding, keeping your word. Mercy is more about compassion and forgiveness.

It is also about leadership and protecting, of honesty and dedication. The honor that requires the keeping of oaths is just scratching the surface.

[hoidhunter he/him]

so...in trying to figure out what we might see in other shards...I stumbled across a wikipedia page about the attributes of god in Christianity.  

 

There's 27 of them on the list...but I think (just a hunch really) that this may have something to do with where Brandon came up with the 16 intents.  Or...maybe...it's just an independent reference for what a group of people looked for in a monotheistic god with a consciousness. 

 

They are:

 

Aseity, Goodness, Graciousness, Holiness, Immanence, Immutability, Impassibility, Impeccability, Incorporeality, Incomprehensibility, Infinity, Jealousy, Love, Mission, Mystery, Omnipotence, Omnipresence, Omniscience, Oneness, Providence, Righteousness, Simplicity, Sovereignty, Trancendence, Trinity, Veracity, Wrath

 

Aseity = Autonomy, Immutability = Preservation, Wrath = Odium, Sovereignty = Dominion, Devotion = Love, Righteousness = Honor, Simplicity (as in, not composed of parts) = Ruin (breaks things down), Providence = Cultivation, I'm not sure where endowment would fit in.

 

You also have Trinity as one of these attributes...and as we all know...the simultaneous existence in the spiritual, cognitive, and physical is one of the cornerstones of the cosmere.

 

I think that Oneness kind of gets thrown out as an intent...because we are talking about 16 different things that at one time were one.

 

Also, things like Incomprehensibility and Infinity may not make good candidates simply because they are very difficult to define (infinite).

 

Any body else see any possible candidates?

Edited February 6, 2016 by hoidhunter

[ROSHtaFARian2.0]

I've always guessed based on the naming conventions, the following might be good candidates:

 

Invention 

Inspiration

Revolution

Serenity (or Tranquility, if Brandon was wary of Firefly references, haha)

Delirium

[Stormgate he/him]

I've always guessed based on the naming conventions, the following might be good candidates:

 

Invention 

Inspiration

Revolution

Serenity (or Tranquility, if Brandon was wary of Firefly references, haha)

Delirium

I believe you are on the right track, but I think your Intents are a bit too specific for Shards.

[ROSHtaFARian2.0]

I believe you are on the right track, but I think your Intents are a bit too specific for Shards.

 

I can see your point on some of them, like Inspiration. Invention or Delirium are the ones I feel most confident about. Something like Invention would essentially be divine creativity, the act of making something entirely new....I see it as being the same 'kind' of Shard as Endowment or Cultivation, but without overlapping Intents. Something like Inspiration could be what a Splinter of that Shard would look like, perhaps.

 

As for Delirium, something like 'divine madness' would essentially be disorder or chaos....it'd fit along the lines of Odium or Ruin without overlapping Intents there either. 

 

Revolution perhaps isn't the best name for how I picture that Intent, but I was thinking something along the lines of the Intent of Change, like radical transformation, the influx of new ideas or information leading to acting on a new position or moving in a new direction.

Edited February 7, 2016 by ROSHtaFARian2.0

[Oversleep]

Revolution perhaps isn't the best name for how I picture that Intent, but I was thinking something along the lines of the Intent of Change, like radical transformation, the influx of new ideas or information leading to acting on a new position or moving in a new direction.

Change is probably Cultivation + Ruin. There is a WoB that Cultivation is the most compatible with Ruin and the way I see it both are about changing things (Ruin in bad way, Cultivation in good way).

[Full Metal Rithmatist]

cultivation + ruin = nature.

[Stormgate he/him]

cultivation + ruin = nature.

Perhaps time? Change? Nature seems too...specific.