Long Game 15: ...The Shards Themselves...

[Hellscythe he/him]

Out of those 5 I can assure you Lopenand Phattmer are good. I'm inclined to believe Alfa but he could just be an evil hemalurgist that was forged by his evil friends.

[Araris Valerian he/him]

Wow! That is really scary that basically everyone role revealed... As for the list that Adavantos posted, I think that a few of them are solid candidates for being eliminators, since they have, for the most part, accumulated some suspicion. I'm not too sure what is up with Phatt, Alvron and Steph though. They all seem just to be quieter players, although I have no PMs so they might have been more active in the night cycles.

 

If we assume that there are 7 eliminators, then 2 uninvested and a hemalurgist seems pretty balanced. But that seems a little boring. In my experience team evil tends to have more roles and less people, which gives them more room for strategy and less of error. Although, having 2 uninvested players with the forger role might make a 7 person team a little overpowered, though fortunately we don't have to deal with that. The game could practically have ended upon the death of a mistborn if there was still an evil forger.

 

So I guess my gut is telling me that there are less eliminators than the list you gave, Ada. Hellscythe, you can't scan people, so where is that coming from? Especially since you were wrong last cycle about Bort.

 

And I am leaning toward placing my vote on PK, but I need to go back and make sure that I am not remembering things wrong from earlier in the thread.

[phattemer]

Uh, when did I claim to have been forged into a hemalurgist?

[Clanky he/him]

Uh, when did I claim to have been forged into a hemalurgist?

 

Sorry about that! I just looked back and saw that it was STINK that had said that not you. Sorry

[Clanky he/him]

So I know this is a double post but no one will get a notification if I just edit. Unlike in night cycles we can't talk in PMs and we need to post in-thread and vote. 

 

Alvron, I would definitely like to hear more from you. I know that you are apparently going to get scanned soon but that won't make you more active or helpful. It's been four days since you posted in this game. You seem just to be floating by saying you couldn't be on the same eliminator team as Wilson. Maybe that is true but that doesn't explain your lack of activity. 

 

EDIT: Colour

Edited November 27, 2015 by Ookla the Cranky

[Araris Valerian he/him]

Ok so here is what I have on PK:

 

He was the second person to place a vote on Alfa, who we have soft-confirmed as good, and several of his reasons were flawed.

 

He was the second person to put a Kandra vote on BB, which was fairly short before quite a few more votes started stacking on BB. (I may be one of the only people that actually thinks that this is suspicious)

 

PK hasn't made too many posts. In the 5 cycles we have completed so far, he has only voted 3 times. One of those was on Wilson after we knew she was bad, so it doesn't really mean anything. Aside from the vote on Alfa, the only other vote PK has made was on Creccio to break the tie between him and Wilson.

 

Hellscythe pointed out a discrepancy with PK's activity level in this game compared to LG15a

 

And then conveniently PK showed up on the list that Ada posted, which is what inspired me to actually compile this, although it isn't too much.

[Clanky he/him]

 

5) I have something to say about this but it would end with us losing PMs one way or another, which as I think about it now I am okay with but I would rather not tackle this conversation unless the Crew agrees we are okay with limiting this game to thread only.

 

 

 

I would be fine with limiting this game to the thread only. Maybe it will help revive the thread. PMs seem to have gotten to be the only form of activity for some people and I'm personally not a fan of that.

[queensteph she/her]

Wow! That is really scary that basically everyone role revealed... As for the list that Adavantos posted, I think that a few of them are solid candidates for being eliminators, since they have, for the most part, accumulated some suspicion. I'm not too sure what is up with Phatt, Alvron and Steph though. They all seem just to be quieter players, although I have no PMs so they might have been more active in the night cycles.

 

If we assume that there are 7 eliminators, then 2 uninvested and a hemalurgist seems pretty balanced. But that seems a little boring. In my experience team evil tends to have more roles and less people, which gives them more room for strategy and less of error. Although, having 2 uninvested players with the forger role might make a 7 person team a little overpowered, though fortunately we don't have to deal with that. The game could practically have ended upon the death of a mistborn if there was still an evil forger.

 

So I guess my gut is telling me that there are less eliminators than the list you gave, Ada. Hellscythe, you can't scan people, so where is that coming from? Especially since you were wrong last cycle about Bort.

 

And I am leaning toward placing my vote on PK, but I need to go back and make sure that I am not remembering things wrong from earlier in the thread.

This is my first game, and so I don't always know what to post or exactly how to analyze people so my suspicions usually aren't that great yet. The reason I posted more towards the start of the game was because I had a lot more free time so I actually had time to analyze things to the best of my abilities. I haven't used PMs very much either except for with a few players which I will name: Adavantos for the most part, and then last night I talked to Kipper a bit, and Lopen quite a bit since he's my bro and he tries to give me pro gaming tips .

I have PMs with a few others but nothing of importance.

As for my suspicions right now I am leaning towards Kipper because of our PM last night, and maybe also Lopen, but I feel like Lopen is probably good.

 

Edit: Also! Happy Thanksgiving!!

F.Y.I.

I probably won't be on much for the rest of this Day cycle because of the holiday. 

Plus I wont have access to a computer until tomorrow evening. I edited Kipper's name in red. I'll retract my vote on Kip if he gives me a reason to, but for now I'm leaving it there.

 

Edit 2

For some reason I keep being suspicious of Lopen and then being like "No I think he's good!!" I keep changing my mind and idk which to believe. If you have any reason to be suspicious (or not) of him that you've noticed please come forward with your reasonings, my mind needs a rest. I'd aslo like to know why the HI seems to believe that Lopen is good. For all we know the HI could have turned already. (Just a reminder)

Edited November 26, 2015 by queensteph

[Alvron]

Alvron, I would definitely like to hear more from you. I know that you are apparently going to get scanned soon but that won't make you more active or helpful. It's been four days since you posted in this game. You seem just to be floating by saying you couldn't be on the same eliminator team as Wilson. Maybe that is true but that doesn't explain your lack of activity. 

Wow, has it been four days already?   I do apologize.  Life got hectic fast and sadly will be so for the next three-four days.

 

I didn't say that I couldn't be on the same eliminator team; just that that was the reasoning the Kandra gave me for contacting me and believing that I'm good.

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

QueenSteph, I better explain about Kipper. He told me his role last Cycle, but I wasn't sure if I wanted to tell him mine. I told him who knew my role, and didn't mind if he tried to figure my role out by talking to those people. So yeah, it was mostly just us messing with you. I'm assumin that's why you're suspicious of him, so I thought it would be best to explain.

I'm on mobile right now and don't have time to add anything at the moment.

[Clanky he/him]

Wow, has it been four days already?   I do apologize.  Life got hectic fast and sadly will be so for the next three-four days.

 

I didn't say that I couldn't be on the same eliminator team; just that that was the reasoning the Kandra gave me for contacting me and believing that I'm good.

 

I know you didn't say it yourself but it has been said about you as a reason why you are good and you hadn't really given any reasons yourself. 

[Arraenae]

Kipper, I know that D1, you were the third person to vote for Shallan, and you voted immediately after Wilson did. We know that Shallan was lynched to save BB from dying.

 

D2 you and Wilson jumped on STINK, who is confirmed loyal. Later, you went after Wilson until she was lynched. I'm thinking that it could have been an elaborate ploy to deflect suspicion from you, because you went after Wilson so early.

 

Do you have anything to say about this, Kipper?

[Guest]

Kipper, I know that D1, you were the third person to vote for Shallan, and you voted immediately after Wilson did. We know that Shallan was lynched to save BB from dying.

 

D2 you and Wilson jumped on STINK, who is confirmed loyal. Later, you went after Wilson until she was lynched. I'm thinking that it could have been an elaborate ploy to deflect suspicion from you, because you went after Wilson so early.

 

Do you have anything to say about this, Kipper?

D1: I also happen to be the Feruchemist who moved a vote to Shallan. That's how convinced I was of her guilt. And also why I said I felt tainted by the bandwagon.

D2: Yes, I explained that previously. Wilson had convinced me that if Maill died, Stink was guilty. So before I really looked at the Surgebinder message, I believed her. Note that after I did look at the Surgebinder, I switched to thinking that Wilson was guilty. Made a lengthy post about it.

If this was an elaborate ploy, it was extremely badly-executed. What suspicion has been deflected off of me? Quite the opposite, imo.

[Paranoid King he/him]

Ok so here is what I have on PK:

He was the second person to place a vote on Alfa, who we have soft-confirmed as good, and several of his reasons were flawed.

He was the second person to put a Kandra vote on BB, which was fairly short before quite a few more votes started stacking on BB. (I may be one of the only people that actually thinks that this is suspicious)

PK hasn't made too many posts. In the 5 cycles we have completed so far, he has only voted 3 times. One of those was on Wilson after we knew she was bad, so it doesn't really mean anything. Aside from the vote on Alfa, the only other vote PK has made was on Creccio to break the tie between him and Wilson.

Hellscythe pointed out a discrepancy with PK's activity level in this game compared to LG15a

And then conveniently PK showed up on the list that Ada posted, which is what inspired me to actually compile this, although it isn't too much.

1: I placed a vote on Alfa not because I was certain that he was bad, but because I wanted to see how he would react. You'll notice that a day later, I removed the vote because it seemed like Alfa was genuinely inactive.

2: So I'm one of the first people to vote on an eliminator. . . How does this make me suspicious?

3: Yes, I haven't been too active this game. The past few days I've been preparing for thanksgiving, and I haven't really put too much effort into this game. I'll start contributing more now that Thanksgiving is over.

4: see #3. Also, my activity varies wildly from game to game. The last time I was really active, I was breaking codes and protesting the pile-up on Discovery. This game there hasn't been any codes to break or pile-ups to protest.

disclaimer: I stole the code instead of breaking it. No activity necessary.

5: Good point. Other people think I'm suspicious, so you think I'm suspicious, too. I have nothing to say about this. Except, don't jump on the bandwagon!

Edit: fixed quote

Edited November 27, 2015 by Paranoid King

[Araris Valerian he/him]

PK, I discussed this before, but I am of the opinion that BB being scanned would help the eliminators more since he was basically dead anyways, so why waste a scan.

 

And for the last point, it isn't really a matter of suspicion (as I understand it). Ada just has a list of roles and a suspected role distribution among the eliminators, and you fit into that. Unfortunately, his list of 8 people isn't quite as helpful as a shorter one, so I tried to bring something else to the table.

 

Anyway, you are still the person I am most suspicious of, for now. That could switch if someone else briings something new or if I have enough time to read back through the thread. Where are our quick links this game?

 

Could someone outline for me what all Kipper has done that is suspect?

[Arraenae]

Happy Thanksgiving everybody!

 

I'm not sure if knowing whether Hellscythe has turned or not is important, but I do remember there being a big fuss about it in LGa and LGb D1. So, I've thought of a few scenarios leading to Hellscythe being loyal (now) and not loyal (now). They are in order from worst case to best case.

 

1. There are 2 loyal hemalurgists. Mailliw dies D1, and at some point BB Forges STINK into something that is not a hemalurgist. Since there are no loyal hemalurgists left, Hellscythe turns. 

 

This means that Hellscythe has turned quite early and knows the identity of a kandra and a feruchemist. Needless to say, this is not good. The 2 people who claimed to Hellscythe are traitors.

 

 

2. There are 2 loyal hemalurgists. Mailliw dies D1, and at and at some point BB Forges STINK into a hemalurgist. When STINK dies, Hellscythe turns.

 

I don't think this is very likely. STINK said that BB Forged him to make sure that our loyal Forger(s) don't get to Forge a loyal crewmember into a hemalurgist. BB knew that STINK was loyal, so why Forge him into a hemalurgist? Why not Forge a traitor to make sure that Hellscythe turns even more quickly?

 

The 2 people that claimed to Hellscythe are traitors. Or maybe a traitor Hellscythe says that two of his teammates have claimed to him as hemalurgists.

 

 

3. There are 3 loyal hemalurgists. Mailliw dies D1, and at and at some point BB Forges STINK into something. After STINK dies, there is still one loyal hemalurgist alive. Hellscythe hasn't turned.

 

This means that out of Alfa and the yet-unnamed hemalurgist, one of them is lying/not loyal. I don't see a reason to falsely claim that you are a hemalurgist to someone who can check roles, so one of them could be a traitor hemalurgist.

 

 

4. There are 4 loyal hemalurgists. Mailliw dies D1, and at and at some point BB Forges STINK into something. After STINK dies, there are still 2 loyal hemalurgists alive. Hellscythe hasn't turned.

 

This is the best case scenario and hopefully is the true one. However, almost everyone that Hellscythe voted for turned out to be loyal. The only person Hellscythe has voted for who isn't a comfirmed loyal (PK) never got lynched.

 

Of course, if this isn't important at all, please tell me so I stop obsessing over Hellscythe's loyalty. 

[Hellscythe he/him]

I'm guessing the answer is 3 but 4 is not completely out of the question yet I suppose.

Also if I was evil I'm sure Stink would've told you by now in scenarios 1 and 2.

Edited November 27, 2015 by Hellscythe

[Burnt Spaghetti she/her]

Elantrian- thank you very much for protecting me, I am in your debt

 

 

As for Spaghetti, it could have certainly been them attempting a WGG, but even so I'm not implying I trust her. I just don't think it's a lead worth pursuing, especially since she has yet to vote for anyone anyway. 

To be fair, I have voted once- for Araris and my reasoning then was because I was more of the opinion that the traitors would have still tried to move the kandra scan away from BB in hopes that he might survive longer, and Araris put a kandra vote on Adavantos very soon after BB started collecting votes. I do acknowledged though that Araris does have some good points from his point of view, that it is equally as likely that the traitors may have tried to prolong BB's life by a small amount by getting him scanned, which would have probably resulted in BB not getting mistborned, but he still would have got lynched. I personally still think the traitors would have initially panic voted on Adavantos, trying to draw fire away from BB. Idk, we have different opinions on the matter, though I do feel like I am mildly tunnelling on Araris. One of us is bound to be right about the kandra vote though. Unless the traitors are trolls and none of them kandra voted... But I seriously doubt that's the case. I'm not going to vote for Araris today as well though, as I want to look into a few other things first. I know I haven't done that much voting this game, but I personally prefer to only really vote for people if I feel like I have enough solid evidence against them (or if my paranoia/gut feeling is particularly strong that evening) (and providing I don't actually just forget to vote....done that before...)

 

 

Where are our quick links this game?

 

 

 Yeah sorry, I've been quite busy recently (I've only just now had enough time this cycle to sit down and type something meaningful) so hadn't got round to posting them in thread (though if anyone wants me to PM them to you in the night cycles too, I happy to do that too so you have them in a easier to find location). Here you go:

 

Quicklinks:

Pregame

Day 1

Night 1

Day 2

Night 2

Day 3

Night 3

Day 4

Night 4

Day 5

Night 5

 

 

Also... can I just comment that earlier when I was posting the quick-links, someone brought up that it might be suspicious cause It could be just an attempt to seem useful, yet when I forget to post them, people complain at the lack of quick-links? Sure that may be fair but still. You call it suspicious when I post them but get annoyed when I don't  

[Clanky he/him]

Why isn't anyone voting?!

 

Well I will be moving my vote from Alvron to Kipper just so we actually get a lynch that can't be manipulated by the feruchemist. 

[Arraenae]

I'm guessing the answer is 3 but 4 is not completely out of the question yet I suppose.

Also if I was evil I'm sure Stink would've told you by now in scenarios 1 and 2.

In scenario 2, STINK can't speak if his death causes you to turn... so that only rules out scenario 1.

 

I think scenarios 2 and 3 are the most likely. Unfortunatley, I don't know if I want to be right or wrong -- if I'm right, yay for thinking skills (but Hellscythe is a traitor)! If I'm wrong, yay, Hellscythe is still loyal (but I'm getting the wrong reads on things)! 

[Guest]

Paranoid King. I considered that he might have a useful role, but unfortunately, the selfish desire to save my own skin trumped that. If he is a good role, don't blame me. And if I do die because of another Feruchemist...I will be most displeased.

 

Edited for color; that was close.

Edited November 27, 2015 by Ookla the Apropos

[Wyrmhero he/him]

The Turn is over! Writeup coming up soon.

[Wyrmhero he/him]

Night 6: The Voice in Space

 

Captain's Journal, 03/02/513 AK, Night Shift

 

They say that the Feruchemists of old, the Keepers of the Terrismen, were peaceful and calm people. They could have been great warriors, it is said, but chose a life of pacifism and passivity. It is no wonder, then, that the greatest threat to the Final Empire of old never did anything about the problems they saw it causing. I doubt they were content, but doing anything else would have required an extraordinary figure. They waited many years for one to materialise, and even after he helped topple the greatest country the worlds have ever seen, he was still shunned.

 

But I wonder now how much of that pent-up aggression has come to the fore now. Interbreeding between Terrismen and all other cultures has practically destroyed any semblance of uniqueness amongst them. Even their culture has interbred with others. Some may keep the old ways alive, but they are few and far between.

 

Today was something of a celebration aboard ship. I'm not sure what world's festival they are celebrating, but I'm not particularly bothered. I won't interrupt their merriment without good reason. Perhaps that is why the argument arose, because there was no authority, no other voices to interrupt them, full as their mouths were with food.

 

It became something of a tug-of-war, I am told, with the crew pulled this way and that with every sentence uttered. At first it was pleasant enough, as much as such a topic could be pleasant. Discussion however so easily turns into dissension, and then into argument, and finally a row. There was an altercation after that, and the crew turned on one of the participants.

 

I am starting to be concerned about them. If they are happy to take things so far, as admittedly I encouraged them to, then how do I know that they will not ultimately side with our foes? Or perhaps even become a new set of foes on their own?

 

I have ordered the Head of Security to double the guards on the Officers' Quarters. They will not get the jump on us that easily.

 

Captain Wurum Heron

 

Crew Manifest

1. John (IrulelikeSTINK) - A rules lawyer's client with a mission. - Hemalurgist

2. Gaius Tekiel (Orlok)

3. Adelor Ien Far-Astra (Alfa)

4. Wynde Wilson (little wilson) - A woman afraid of airlocks. - Voidbringer

5. Tigger (Kipper) - T-I-Double-Guh-Err

6. James T Slade (Bridge Boy) - An ensign with delusions of Spook. - Forger

7. Inor Haze (Creccio) - BioChromancer

8. Pork (Paranoid King) - A pilot and board game fanatic - Feruchemist

9. Miral (Mailliw73) - Excited to be exploring the Cosmere - Hemalurgist

10. Cor Mordero (Alvron) - Petty Officer, in both rank and nature.

11. Arandar (Araris Valerian)

12. Rae Nova (Arraenae) - Possibly a death-seeker

13. Brega Daghar (The Honey Badger) - A man looking for opportunities - BioChromancer

14. Citoan Vinid (Shallan) - A naturally non-Allomancer who loves Allomancy - Kandra

15. Obsidibus Caesis Dormiam (phattemer)

16. Volke (TheMightyLopen)

17. Davenar Leiken (Adavantos)

18. Kaid (Kaid) - Voidbringer

19. Doctor McClay (Clanky)

20. Neil Weakarm (polkinghorndb) - Forger

21. Elby (Elbereth)

22. HELLSCYTHE (DeathClutch19) - Uninvested - HI

23. Steph (QueenSteph)

24. The High Priest of Elkanah (Elkanah)

25. Dow (dowanx) - Surgebinder

26. Sonder Kessligh (Kasimir) - Uninvested

27. Osmann (Zed)

28. Bort (Bort) - Uninvested

29. Ember Ghetti (Burnt Spaghetti)

30. Gylf (RippleGylf) - Uninvested

31. Bovinus (The Cow)

32. Biggoron (Biggoron)

 

Pork was a Feruchemist!

 

Pork (3): Tigger, Arandar

Tigger (2): Rae Nova, Doctor McClay, Steph
 

Night 6 has begun! It will end at 8PM GMT on Sunday. PMs may now be sent again.

 

Shift Clock

A full worker is still a worker! Get back to work!

 

Edited November 29, 2015 by Wyrmhero

[Guest]

Well, a Feruchemist or a Feruchemist, huh? That's an okay choice, and I am still standing.

[Hellscythe he/him]

So it's Kipper? Why didn't pork save himself?