sigzilch Posted November 10, 2024 Posted November 10, 2024 (edited) so in WoR the flashback chapter ‘red carpet once white’ shallan notices her mothers body on the ground after she kills her. If her mom is really Chana wouldn’t her body be teleported back to braize? How is shallan seeing her mother’s dead body at all if her mom is a herald? Granted, the isolations and the desolations for the heralds haven’t been explained in great detail- but I can’t find anything that would support the idea that a heralds corpse is left around after they die as opposed to just disappearing immediately. Edited November 10, 2024 by sigzilch 1
alder24 Posted November 10, 2024 Posted November 10, 2024 3 hours ago, sigzilch said: so in WoR the flashback chapter ‘red carpet once white’ shallan notices her mothers body on the ground after she kills her. If her mom is really Chana wouldn’t her body be teleported back to braize? How is shallan seeing her mother’s dead body at all if her mom is a herald? Granted, the isolations and the desolations for the heralds haven’t been explained in great detail- but I can’t find anything that would support the idea that a heralds corpse is left around after they die as opposed to just disappearing immediately. No, I think it's very unlikely that Heralds were on Braize physically with their bodies. Braize has no livable atmosphere and Fused and Voidspren are not physically on the planet. Instead they are all as souls and spren in the Cognitive Realm. Heralds would have no need to have their bodies there. Moreover, we know that every time Heralds return to Roshar, new bodies are created for them by the Oathpact - which simply means when they die their souls are separated from their bodies, which are left behind on Roshar as corpses. Spoiler Questioner Can a Returned be made from Stormlight? Brandon Sanderson How would you count the Heralds? Questioner I haven't read much, so I don't really know what you're talking about. Brandon Sanderson In the Stormlight books, there is a set of people who are constantly reborn, into full sized grown bodies that are being created for them. Would you count that as being Returned? Or do you count Returned...What's your definition, right? You can create something that is Returned-like. But your definition of what is Returned and what is not, is going to be involved in that. Legion Release Party (Sept. 19, 2018) 5
teknopathetic he/him Posted November 10, 2024 Posted November 10, 2024 (edited) Very unclear how herald bodies work. If a herald is smooshed to death or dissolved in acid, does that herald body get sent to Braize and is healed? Is a new body grown? Do they get different bodies like Fused or did they always return in the same body? It is not clear at all. Brandon has saif that the Heralds originally were going to return just like fused, but that he changed his mind. Apparently, heralds return like how the fused did "in the original draft" but I haven't read the original draft or the prime versions. Anyone know anything? Quote Questioner How do the Heralds come back? As Cognitive Shadows, how do they a physical body? Brandon Sanderson That system will be explained in the coming books, so that is a RAFO. I'm gonna dig into it pretty deeply. It's relevant for multiple reasons... In the original version, Taln ended up in someone else, like they would get a body from someone else, which was part of fueling the "Is he crazy, is he not," because people were like, "I recognize this guy!" I don't use that system anymore. Questioner That's what I was wondering, because the Fused-- Brandon Sanderson They use something kind of more like the Fused in the original draft, it's not that process anymore. Questioner Is that gonna give us lead-ins to how it worked with Kelsier? Brandon Sanderson Maybe. Maybe. You shall see. Edited November 11, 2024 by teknopathetic
LewsTherinTelescope Posted November 11, 2024 Posted November 11, 2024 15 hours ago, teknopathetic said: Apparently, heralds return like how the fused did "in the original draft" but I haven't read the original draft or the prime versions. Anyone knopw anything? Having read The Way of Kings Prime, I have no idea what he meant lol. Spoiler The person who "recognized" Taln was actually a Herald intentionally trying to sow doubt, and their corpses dissolve into smoke after a day or so as if they're something manifested. Maybe it's something he considered either in an earlier draft of that or in the near-decade between Prime and canon, but I don't think it makes much sense with how it's portrayed in Prime itself. 2
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