Skybreakers in space means a second recreance?

[Atlas333]

I've noticed a trend that post-Stormlight 5, we only really see Skybreakers and none of the other orders. 

Light spoilers for the unpublished Sixth of Dusk sequel and the Lost Metal

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The Radiant who talks to Dusk makes sure to ask if he has legal justification for killing Dusk.

Then there's that one group on Scadrial that makes sure they're following the law before helping with the evacuation. I know that Brandon has kind of dismissed that theory, but I think he's being coy, so he doesn't have to give a solid answer until after Stormlight 5. If they aren't skybreakers, why are they so concerned with the law?

At first, I thought this was favoritism by Brandon. Or it could just be that for a quick cameo, Skybreakers are an easy order to make it clear to the reader what type of radiant they are. 

But then I got thinking. An era of radiants where only Skybreakers kept their oaths. Sounds a lot like the Recreance, doesn't it?

To me, this means that Odium wins in Stormlight 5 (not exactly a new idea), but then most of the other orders abandon their oaths rather than serve Odium or perhaps go into hiding or something similar. However, Skybreakers are more concerned with obeying authority than what is right or wrong. So, once again, they are the only order that keeps their oaths and continues to serve Odium and become the dominant order of Radiants.

 

While I think this theory is fairly solid, we only have a few examples, so it could just be a coincidence. Additionally, Hoid is shown to still have his oaths, and he doesn't serve Odium. He's a weird case, though, so I'm not accounting for him in this theory. Anyway, what do you guys think?

[Tea Leaf]

4 minutes ago, Atlas333 said:

I've noticed a trend that post-Stormlight 5, we only really see Skybreakers and none of the other orders. 

Light spoilers for the unpublished Sixth of Dusk sequel and the Lost Metal

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The Radiant who talks to Dusk makes sure to ask if he has legal justification for killing Dusk.

Then there's that one group on Scadrial that makes sure they're following the law before helping with the evacuation. I know that Brandon has kind of dismissed that theory, but I think he's being coy, so he doesn't have to give a solid answer until after Stormlight 5. If they aren't skybreakers, why are they so concerned with the law?

At first, I thought this was favoritism by Brandon. Or it could just be that for a quick cameo, Skybreakers are an easy order to make it clear to the reader what type of radiant they are. 

But then I got thinking. An era of radiants where only Skybreakers kept their oaths. Sounds a lot like the Recreance, doesn't it?

To me, this means that Odium wins in Stormlight 5 (not exactly a new idea), but then most of the other orders abandon their oaths rather than serve Odium or perhaps go into hiding or something similar. However, Skybreakers are more concerned with obeying authority than what is right or wrong. So, once again, they are the only order that keeps their oaths and continues to serve Odium and become the dominant order of Radiants.

 

While I think this theory is fairly solid, we only have a few examples, so it could just be a coincidence. Additionally, Hoid is shown to still have his oaths, and he doesn't serve Odium. He's a weird case, though, so I'm not accounting for him in this theory. Anyway, what do you guys think?

This seems like pretty solid reasoning though we don't have enough info to make this logical gambit easily. For all we know the other oaths could have sworn never to leave Roshar, or it is just easier for Skybreakers to travel the stars. Though this does make sense that it is a second recreance...

[alder24]

20 minutes ago, Atlas333 said:

I've noticed a trend that post-Stormlight 5, we only really see Skybreakers and none of the other orders. 

Light spoilers for the unpublished Sixth of Dusk sequel and the Lost Metal

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The Radiant who talks to Dusk makes sure to ask if he has legal justification for killing Dusk.

Then there's that one group on Scadrial that makes sure they're following the law before helping with the evacuation. I know that Brandon has kind of dismissed that theory, but I think he's being coy, so he doesn't have to give a solid answer until after Stormlight 5. If they aren't skybreakers, why are they so concerned with the law?

At first, I thought this was favoritism by Brandon. Or it could just be that for a quick cameo, Skybreakers are an easy order to make it clear to the reader what type of radiant they are. 

But then I got thinking. An era of radiants where only Skybreakers kept their oaths. Sounds a lot like the Recreance, doesn't it?

To me, this means that Odium wins in Stormlight 5 (not exactly a new idea), but then most of the other orders abandon their oaths rather than serve Odium or perhaps go into hiding or something similar. However, Skybreakers are more concerned with obeying authority than what is right or wrong. So, once again, they are the only order that keeps their oaths and continues to serve Odium and become the dominant order of Radiants.

 

While I think this theory is fairly solid, we only have a few examples, so it could just be a coincidence. Additionally, Hoid is shown to still have his oaths, and he doesn't serve Odium. He's a weird case, though, so I'm not accounting for him in this theory. Anyway, what do you guys think?

It's interesting, but I don't think there needs to be a second Recreance. Skybreakers have a much easier time to leave Roshar, as they can use the Surge of Gravitation and fly out of Roshar. Also they are perfect diplomats as they won't break any laws and thus they don't infuriate local people (in theory). Other orders don't have such an easy way to covertly arrive on a far away planet. Shadesmar can be watched, is crowded and you have to relied on shipping routes, and we know from TLM this isn't a viable way of transportation (it isn't FTL) - Elsecallers won't be a good option, and Windrunners have other duties and are soldiers bound to protect and uphold morality - not a good choice if you want to threaten others into submission. 

In TLM those people are members of Ghostbloods. I think it's very likely that those particular people are bonded with corrupted Highspren and might even be a splinter group of Nale's Skybreakers (or they were just old Ghostbloods members who finally got their corrupted Spren bond from Sja-Anat, as Mraize wants that badly). I don't think they are servants of Odium as there would be a conflict of interests between them and Kelsier. 

SotD2 is so far in the future that everything can happen at this point. However what picked my attention is this part, spoilers:

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This creature stood seven feet tall and was encased entirely in steel. Armor of a futuristic cast, smooth and bright with a soft violet-blue glowing at the joints. The helmet glowed at the front with a slit-like visor, and an arcane symbol, remind Dusk vaguely of a bird in flight, etched the front of the breastplate.

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The colored portion of the creature's armor started to glow more brightly, a deep violet that seemed far too inviting a color to come from this strange being.

Violet-blue, not pure blue - that is not Stormlight, at least not pure one. Warlight is black-blue, but Voidlight is purple-black. I think it's entirely plausible that by this point Honor merged with Odium and this might change the coloration of Voidlight to be more purple than blue (e.g. if Odium truly changed his intent by this point to Passion or something else), and thus Warlight would be violet-blue. 

If not, where did violet come from? Are they also corrupted Skybreakers and have different coloration of their armor from their normal gray one (their glyph in Radiant table at the end of books is gray, and coloration of this glyph is the same as the coloration of Order's armor, so Skybreaker's armor should glow gray, not violet or violet-blue)? Or maybe they're using both Stormlight and Voidlight not mixed together?

What if conflict sparked between Kel and Harmony/Discord, and Kelsier was forced to leave Scadrial and now he is operating from Roshar, and those Skybreakers are Ghostbloods, bonded with corrupted Highspren? Kelsier is trying to protect Scadrial from Sazed and is using Roshar for that. 

I'm just throwing out some wild ideas. We know too little to know anything for sure.

 

[Atlas333]

12 minutes ago, alder24 said:

In TLM those people are members of Ghostbloods. I think it's very likely that those particular people are bonded with corrupted Highspren and might even be a splinter group of Nale's Skybreakers (or they were just old Ghostbloods members who finally got their corrupted Spren bond from Sja-Anat, as Mraize wants that badly). I don't think they are servants of Odium as there would be a conflict of interests between them and Kelsier. 

Shoot, that's a good point. I didn't even think about that. While I agree they probably aren't servants of Odium there could still be something said that the only radiants we see working with the Ghostbloods are Skybreakers rather than Windrunners. But as to why it's nearly impossible to say at this point. 

I think it's probably just convenience as you pointed out and most orders could stick to Roshar. Still excited to see what this all means. 

[Elite01]

I mean Shallan was working with the Ghostbloods and she was a lightweaver. I feel like within most orders there could be individuals who are able to view their oaths in a way to align with the ghostbloods, besides maybe edgedancers, windrunners, and maybe truthwatchers but we don't have enough information in my opinion. 

A random question that isn't super related is which order would make the best diplomats? Skybreakers do well for their convenience but why not have a skybreaker bring an edgedancer or something to do the actual talking. The only con is I don't think you can lash shard plate so traveling through space without shard place and only stormlight might not be possible.