Trusk'our he/him Posted October 24, 2023 Posted October 24, 2023 There was a WoB brought up by @..... recently that said you can Hemalurgically excise Hemalurgically granted powers; Quote General Signed Books 2017 - Arcanum (coppermind.net) Questioner Can hemalurgy be used to steal hemalurgically granted powers? Brandon Sanderson Yes, technically. The "technically" part could be interpreted multiple ways, including the idea that you'd just reuse the spike on someone else, but for the sake of discussion let's assume Brandon meant that you can really charge a new spike with an old one. This is Interesting because it opens some new possibilities. For one, I think you could use this mechanic to Blank previously made Hemalurgic spikes; you grant F-aluminum to the Hemalurgist donor (via Hemalurgy) and have them Blank their Identity and that of the spikes they bear while charging the new one, creating a freshly Blanked spike. It also might be a way to combine the charges of other spikes, as you could give a person multiple spikes, have them Blank their Identity and then spike both charges out at once (or do them one at a time), repeating the process to make a single, far more powerful spike (there would probably be some extra loss with each transfer, but if you're recycling spikes I think the process could potentially be worth it). Then there's the idea that the Investiture taken from the Spiritwebs held in the spikes would cause less damage to the donor (the new one, not the original donor) since they aren't part of the donor's actual Spiritweb, meaning that you could realistically expect to do this more than a few times. The Emperor's Soul spoilers; Spoiler https://wob.coppermind.net/events/36/#e1560 Questioner If you Stamp yourself, to have another, overwritten spiritweb, and you get Spiked-- *laughter* What would happen? Brandon Sanderson We actually worked this out. *laughter* Questioner Well, you'd die, or very close to it, but would it revert when the Stamp reverts? Brandon Sanderson So what’s probably going to happen here is that you’re going to rip off the Investiture you’ve put on your soul, and your own soul will have less damage. Now, the spike is only gonna get the-- the spike, you're like "What will it do?" It will do what you've been overwritten with, but again remember, becoming an Allomancer takes so much energy, and things like-- But it is theoretically possible in the cosmere to rewrite yourself "You're an allomancer", someone spikes you to get this. The Investiture doesn't care that it was fake on you, you have managed to get that Investiture to work. Uhh, this is really tough. And really, like, you need Connection, and you need, like, the right kind of Investiture, but then it rips off and yes you have made a spike that makes you an Allomancer, even though the person was a Forger. So yes, okay? But this is the kind of stuff that is like the thought experiments for physicists in the cosmere as opposed to, y'know--
..... he/him Posted October 24, 2023 Posted October 24, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Trusk'our said: There was a WoB brought up by @..... recently that said you can Hemalurgically excise Hemalurgically granted powers; Quote General Signed Books 2017 - Arcanum (coppermind.net) Questioner Can hemalurgy be used to steal hemalurgically granted powers? Brandon Sanderson Yes, technically. Expand The "technically" part could be interpreted multiple ways, including the idea that you'd just reuse the spike on someone else, but for the sake of discussion let's assume Brandon meant that you can really charge a new spike with an old one. This is Interesting because it opens some new possibilities. For one, I think you could use this mechanic to Blank previously made Hemalurgic spikes; you grant F-aluminum to the Hemalurgist donor (via Hemalurgy) and have them Blank their Identity and that of the spikes they bear while charging the new one, creating a freshly Blanked spike. It also might be a way to combine the charges of other spikes, as you could give a person multiple spikes, have them Blank their Identity and then spike both charges out at once (or do them one at a time), repeating the process to make a single, far more powerful spike (there would probably be some extra loss with each transfer, but if you're recycling spikes I think the process could potentially be worth it). Then there's the idea that the Investiture taken from the Spiritwebs held in the spikes would cause less damage to the donor (the new one, not the original donor) since they aren't part of the donor's actual Spiritweb, meaning that you could realistically expect to do this more than a few times. The Emperor's Soul spoilers; Hide contents https://wob.coppermind.net/events/36/#e1560 Questioner If you Stamp yourself, to have another, overwritten spiritweb, and you get Spiked-- *laughter* What would happen? Brandon Sanderson We actually worked this out. *laughter* Questioner Well, you'd die, or very close to it, but would it revert when the Stamp reverts? Brandon Sanderson So what’s probably going to happen here is that you’re going to rip off the Investiture you’ve put on your soul, and your own soul will have less damage. Now, the spike is only gonna get the-- the spike, you're like "What will it do?" It will do what you've been overwritten with, but again remember, becoming an Allomancer takes so much energy, and things like-- But it is theoretically possible in the cosmere to rewrite yourself "You're an allomancer", someone spikes you to get this. The Investiture doesn't care that it was fake on you, you have managed to get that Investiture to work. Uhh, this is really tough. And really, like, you need Connection, and you need, like, the right kind of Investiture, but then it rips off and yes you have made a spike that makes you an Allomancer, even though the person was a Forger. So yes, okay? But this is the kind of stuff that is like the thought experiments for physicists in the cosmere as opposed to, y'know-- Yeah I figure it's pretty powerful when you start spiking people with multiple spikes of the same power though and it adds up really fast cuz if you spike a koloss Which has four strengths bikes when you get its strength plus all the spikes strength in one Spike and then you can Spike yourself with that four times or someone else and then spike them and thats a lot of strength or do this with pewter for extra power. really power full over all. Edited October 24, 2023 by .....
Trusk'our he/him Posted October 24, 2023 Author Posted October 24, 2023 1 minute ago, ..... said: Yeah I figure it's pretty powerful when you start spiking people with multiple spikes of the same power though and it adds up really fast cuz if you spike a koloss Which has four strengths bikes when you get its strength plus all the spikes strength in one Spike and then you can Spike yourself with that four times or someone else and then spike them and thats a lot of strength or do this with pewter for extra power really power full Exactly- you can get lots of power very quickly through this method and can combine multiple spikes it to make some really powerful individual spikes (though you'd have to watch out for Identity contamination). Or you could create super-Koloss, if you wanted .
Through The Living Grub He/Him Posted October 24, 2023 Posted October 24, 2023 10 hours ago, ..... said: Yeah I figure it's pretty powerful when you start spiking people with multiple spikes of the same power though and it adds up really fast cuz if you spike a koloss Which has four strengths bikes when you get its strength plus all the spikes strength in one Spike and then you can Spike yourself with that four times or someone else and then spike them and thats a lot of strength or do this with pewter for extra power. really power full over all. Can't you steal an attribute from multiple people. Imagine a koloss with 5 spikes that were charged by 20 people/spike 1
..... he/him Posted October 24, 2023 Posted October 24, 2023 Just now, Xiahida said: Can't you steal an attribute from multiple people. Imagine a koloss with 5 spikes that were charged by 20 people/spike yeah but thats harder because of identity contamination but you can do it and your right it would be powerfull but imangine you made four of those you could then spike them and get four-hundred people worth of strengh in one person and get more power, and more powers without the flaw. thats why spiking spiked powers is so powerfull
Through The Living Grub He/Him Posted October 24, 2023 Posted October 24, 2023 1 hour ago, ..... said: yeah but thats harder because of identity contamination but you can do it and your right it would be powerfull but imangine you made four of those you could then spike them and get four-hundred people worth of strengh in one person and get more power, and more powers without the flaw. thats why spiking spiked powers is so powerfull How does Identity contamination affect this?
Trusk'our he/him Posted October 24, 2023 Author Posted October 24, 2023 28 minutes ago, Xiahida said: How does Identity contamination affect this? We believe that this is one of the reasons the Set could not get their new spikes to work more than a short while. Programming the powers in is part of it too, but Identity contamination is almost certainly a large part too- after all, if you could add multiple charges together no problem then the Steel Inquisitors would have almost certainly done it in the 1,000 years of practice they had.
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