A-Bendalloy Augmenting Allomantic Powers

[Trusk'our he/him]

We know that if you use Emotional Allomancy while you are inside a Speedbubble on someone who is outside that Speedbubble that more effect (raw Investiture, though not subtlety) is brought into play against them.

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If one were to Riot or Soothe out of a cadmium bubble or a bendalloy bubble, would the emotional Allomancy be effectual? If so, how would it be affected by the speed bubble, and how would that work in reverse?

Brandon Sanderson

If you were to... Someone's inside a bubble, and you're shooting Allomancy into it from outside, would it have an effect? The answer to that would be yes. Shooting out of it should work also. It is going to be affected though. I think depending on the speed of it, you're gonna end up with a stretching or condensing of it. If you're doing it from inside a bubble, you could probably effectively get something like a duralumin hit. And if you're doing it from outside in, and they're moving very fast, you're gonna have a lesser effect.

Questioner

Would it have some randomness, like a bullet?

Brandon Sanderson

You probably wouldn't be able to target... No, you would be able to. You would be fine. You can do kind of a cone, and things like that. It might be hard to hit the specific individual, but it wouldn't be as much trouble as a bullet.

Questioner

What about with duralumin?

Brandon Sanderson

The thing about duralumin is, if you wanted to extra duralumin it, what you'd have to do is eat some within a speed bubble, use it, then eat some more, then use it. You could therefore kind of multiply up, but yeah. So yes, you could do that, but you'd have to do it multiple times.

spectral.limina

Just to confirm, is that a fast bubble or slow bubble?

Brandon Sanderson

That'd be a fast bubble, cause you're piling it up. More time is passing for you than people outside. Basically, you're doing five times duralumin push in one burst. It could probably get pretty dangerous, some people's emotions.

So, what about other forms of Allomancy?

I bet that A-bronze and A-copper would be effected; you're burning more metal over a comparatively smaller amount of time (at least while you are targeting something outside of the Speedbubble). You might be able to use very powerful Seeking while without Hemalurgy, Lerasium, Nicrosil compounding, or enahncement metals. Copperclouds would be cool to see used in this manner as well.

Steelpushing and Ironpulliing would be interesting as well, though you would have to be careful not to push yourself out from the bubble as you power-push on things around you. Plus, A-pewter might be necessary to prevent self-harm.

A-electrum might have some interesting properties. I guess that it would depend on how Speedbubbles effect Electrum Shadows and whether you get to see further into the future or not.

[therunner he/him]

So per WoB, speedbubbles interfere with most forms of Investiture (https://wob.coppermind.net/events/3/#e78), so you most likely cannot push/pull on anything outside bubble (I don't think Wax ever does this, despite it being useful, though that could be due to Identity as well).

So possibly emotional allomancy is a bit outlier, since it effects Cognitive aspects primarily?
Seeking would probably be distorted, since the pulses would be perceived by Seeker as slowed down, if they could reach beyond the bubble.
A-Electrum would probably not be affected much, since it shows you future as you would see it externally kind of? So shadows that would step outside of bubble would be frozen there I think.
 

[Trusk'our he/him]

36 minutes ago, therunner said:

So per WoB, speedbubbles interfere with most forms of Investiture (https://wob.coppermind.net/events/3/#e78), so you most likely cannot push/pull on anything outside bubble (I don't think Wax ever does this, despite it being useful, though that could be due to Identity as well).

So possibly emotional allomancy is a bit outlier, since it effects Cognitive aspects primarily?
Seeking would probably be distorted, since the pulses would be perceived by Seeker as slowed down, if they could reach beyond the bubble.
A-Electrum would probably not be affected much, since it shows you future as you would see it externally kind of? So shadows that would step outside of bubble would be frozen there I think.
 

I suppose that makes sense.

I wonder if Copperclouds would be more effective though. You don't need to perceive anything, as you do with bronze, but you'd still be effectively burning through your metals faster. Plus, it's also a CR effect, similar to Emotional Allomancy.

[Argenti he/him]

This seems like a very good way to make someone's heart stop.

[cometaryorbit]

Yeah I think bronze and copper would work while iron and steel wouldn't, because the emotional Allomancy works through the bubble because it's a Cognitive effect:

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zas678's sister If Wayne and Breeze, like if Wayne had a time bubble up and Breeze was inside Pushing on somebody's emotions what-- 

Brandon Sanderson He could still make that work. 

zas678's sister Would it affect it? 

Brandon Sanderson Not really. It wouldn't dramatically affect it. You're going to have one of these sort-of effects-- Yeah, because what he is doing is on another Realm, it's not going to affect it.

 zas678's sister Is that the same with all of the *audio obscured* 

Brandon Sanderson Not necessarily. See what's going on is if you are affecting things on the Cognitive Realm-- 

zas678 It's kind of time-independent? 

Brandon Sanderson Yeah? It's not as-- Really it's the Spiritual Realm that is completely time-independent, right? All time and space are irrelevant once you reach the Spiritual. You're kind of going to go over the top a little bit, it's going to work just fine. In fact you can probably-- So he could use that to make his metals last a little bit better, probably. So that is a hack of the magic systems that you could probably do.

https://wob.coppermind.net/events/96/#e3200

 

Edited March 31, 2023 by cometaryorbit