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Melishi's biography

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OK, this may be an extremly odd suggestion. Are we sure Melishi was human? Is it possible that by capturing Ba-Ado-Mishram he broke his own mind?

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26 minutes ago, Oltux72 said:

OK, this may be an extremly odd suggestion. Are we sure Melishi was human? Is it possible that by capturing Ba-Ado-Mishram he broke his own mind?

Melishi was a bondsmith, so yes, probably human. Are you trying to suggest they could've been parshendi? Because that wouldn't make any sense.

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Venli is first Parshendi Radiant EVER. 

So if there was Radiant (not just Bondsmith, ANY Radiant) earlier, had to be human.

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11 minutes ago, Aspiring Writer said:

Melishi was a bondsmith, so yes, probably human. Are you trying to suggest they could've been parshendi? Because that wouldn't make any sense.

Melishi seemed to know a lot about how Singers bond. How much closer to Parshendi were Horneaters and Herdazians at that time? It's a rather long time in the past.

 

9 minutes ago, Bzhydack said:

Venli is first Parshendi Radiant EVER. 

So if there was Radiant (not just Bondsmith, ANY Radiant) earlier, had to be human.

Do we have any idea what happened to Aimians?

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1 hour ago, Oltux72 said:

Do we have any idea what happened to Aimians?

No, but Aimia was good and running some Time after Recreance, untill Dai-Gonarthis somehow destroyed it. And we saw Aimian, and he doesnt seems to be affected by Recreance. For sure not like Parshendi.

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3 hours ago, Bzhydack said:

Venli is first Parshendi Radiant EVER. 

So if there was Radiant (not just Bondsmith, ANY Radiant) earlier, had to be human.

How do you know this?  Do you mean first LISTENER Radiant, or first SINGER Radiant?  ("Parshendi" is a term used by modern Alethi to describe only the Listeners, distinct from the Singer species)

I ask because there has been speculation that some of the Fused were bonded to Radiant spren in the past, based on the exclamation by Leshwi that "they've come back to us!"

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22 minutes ago, AquaRegia said:

How do you know this?  Do you mean first LISTENER Radiant, or first SINGER Radiant?  ("Parshendi" is a term used by modern Alethi to describe only the Listeners, distinct from the Singer species)

I ask because there has been speculation that some of the Fused were bonded to Radiant spren in the past, based on the exclamation by Leshwi that "they've come back to us!"

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What would happen if a Parshendi were to attract a spren and bring it into the Highstorm? Like, an Honorspren of some sort?

Brandon Sanderson

Sapient spren have a choice of whether they get bonded or not, unless you entrap them some way. But simply attracting them...simply going into the Highstorm with one wouldn't work, what you said is 'attracted a spren', so, to answer that actually... The thing is, honorspren, all the spren of Honor and Cultivation, not honorspren capital, Honorspren or whatever... The spren that create the orders of the Knights Radiant have not, in the past, been attracted to Parshendi because of certain events in the past.

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You'll have to Read and Find Out.

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Is it possible - not will there be, but is it possible - for a Parshendi to become a Knight Radiant?

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In the past, they would've said [no]. How about this, in-world everybody would tell you no. It's never happened.

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Is Eshonai going to be a Radiant? You mentioned in the beginning that there's going to be ten books, ten Radiants - and Eshonai's book is one of them...

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So. In the past, parshmen were - Parshendi were not allowed to become Knights Radiant. However, what I said, might imply that that could change.

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How about the other way around? Can a Parshendi bond a Knights Radiant spren?

Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased)

Historically, the Parshendi were not made Knights Radiant, or the parshmen weren't.

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Can they become squires maybe?

Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased)

Historically they did not, but it's not impossible.

 

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Fair enough, but...

1)  Those WOBs are all from 5-7 years ago, pre-Oathbringer.  We knew much less, and Brandon may have been unwilling to answer more fully BECAUSE we knew so much less.

2)  "in-world everybody would tell you no. It's never happened."  I think it's telling that he chose to make that distinction.  What in-world characters "know" to be true turns out to be wrong all the time.

I won't be surprised if we find that what happened in the past between Singers and spren is MUCH more nuanced than a black-and-white "bond or nothing".  We know that both sides felt some kind of "betrayal", which implies the breaking of a close and trusting relationship.  Can we at least agree it's possible that relationship might involve Invested abilities, but not meet the threshold of "Radiance"?

Also, wasn't Eshonai a Radiant (albeit briefly) before Venli?

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12 minutes ago, AquaRegia said:

I won't be surprised if we find that what happened in the past between Singers and spren is MUCH more nuanced than a black-and-white "bond or nothing".  We know that both sides felt some kind of "betrayal", which implies the breaking of a close and trusting relationship.  Can we at least agree it's possible that relationship might involve Invested abilities, but not meet the threshold of "Radiance"?

Not even enough for Surgebinding

12 minutes ago, AquaRegia said:

Also, wasn't Eshonai a Radiant (albeit briefly) before Venli?

yes

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9 minutes ago, Frustration said:

Not even enough for Surgebinding

yes

1 hour ago, AquaRegia said:

How do you know this?  Do you mean first LISTENER Radiant, or first SINGER Radiant?  ("Parshendi" is a term used by modern Alethi to describe only the Listeners, distinct from the Singer species)

I ask because there has been speculation that some of the Fused were bonded to Radiant spren in the past, based on the exclamation by Leshwi that "they've come back to us!"

I think it would have come up when the Sibling was considering bonding Rlain. The Sibling states they hated Melishi (RoW Ch. 42), and humans in general, if Melishi was a Parsh, as they were called in Melishi's era, the Sibling might have mentioned it.  Instead the Sibling reacts to the suggestion like "hmm a non-human, maybe."  The Sibling also asks for Rlain to be sent to them to help them. (RoW Ch. 100). 

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It still seems to me that it is unlikely that we have seen all the mixing that has occured. So I still wonder what the capture of B-A-M did to the more parshlike members of those mixed ethnicities. And unless they were actively selected against, which admittedly is perfectly possible, some of them must have found their way to membership of the Knights Radiant.

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12 hours ago, AquaRegia said:

I won't be surprised if we find that what happened in the past between Singers and spren is MUCH more nuanced than a black-and-white "bond or nothing".  We know that both sides felt some kind of "betrayal", which implies the breaking of a close and trusting relationship.  Can we at least agree it's possible that relationship might involve Invested abilities, but not meet the threshold of "Radiance"?

Also, wasn't Eshonai a Radiant (albeit briefly) before Venli?

We know also Singers before Humans come to Roshar were "forbidden to touch" at least some Surges. And also Surges they have, they use differently than later Radiants or Fused - we saw example of Stoneshapinig with Songs and Rythms, was saw also Progression with the same technique. So we can assume Singers could know how to use other Surges with Songs (and atracted by them Spren) but were forbidden to use them.

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On 7/26/2021 at 4:29 AM, Oltux72 said:

Melishi seemed to know a lot about how Singers bond. How much closer to Parshendi were Horneaters and Herdazians at that time? It's a rather long time in the past.

I would like to remind everyone that the spren have been holding a grudge against the parshendi for a really long time, including the Stormfather. Rlain mentions this in RoW. There is no way Melishi was a singer.

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