+Oltux72 Posted July 7, 2021 Report Share Posted July 7, 2021 If you think about the technological progress Scadrial is making, something is odd. Harmony is a Shard. Hence he has Futuresight. How can the lack of technological progress the Scadrians are showing surprise him and how can he be unsure of the cause? It is of course possible that the Catacendre was so dire that he had to make the basin so fertile, lest the Scadrians die out, but he still would have known the drawbacks of this option. This seems almost like his Futuresight had been blocked. We know that Trell is concerned about the technological progress on Scadrial. So, must we assume that Trell was already trying to predict Scadrian technology during the time of the Catacendre? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aspiring Writer Posted July 7, 2021 Report Share Posted July 7, 2021 31 minutes ago, Oltux72 said: Harmony is a Shard. Hence he has Futuresight. How can the lack of technological progress the Scadrians are showing surprise him and how can he be unsure of the cause? Shardic future sight has been shown to have limits and is not deterministic. Sazed would have seen a future where they had become far more advanced in the time they have been given, a possibility, a possibly very likely possibility, but in trying to make life better for them at the catacendere, which he might have done without looking to the future, he made life too easy and they ended up not advancing very quickly compared to another society who had been struggling. He is very aware of the cause, that his actions have resulted in this apathy to technological development. He can be surprised because he hadn't expected this to happen, as he sees possibilities, and this could have been an unlikely possibility. Same reason Odium could be surprised by Dalinar not turning to his side, there are holes in their future sight.  36 minutes ago, Oltux72 said: This seems almost like his Futuresight had been blocked. We know that Trell is concerned about the technological progress on Scadrial. So, must we assume that Trell was already trying to predict Scadrian technology during the time of the Catacendre? I just find it unlikely that Trell would have taken action that early. As far as the rest of the cosmere was concerned, Scadrial was doomed. They expected Ruin to destroy Scadrial and move on. I can believe Trell had quickly been put into action after the catacendre, when it was clear Scadrial would survive and start becoming the most advanced planet in the cosmere, something Khriss had been able to foresee. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Invocation Posted July 7, 2021 Report Share Posted July 7, 2021 I think some of his issue was the urgency around his Ascension. He didn't have time to adjust to the breadth of new resources at his disposal, including futuresight. People were dying, oceans were boiling. He needed to fix that then, and since he thought the power was going to dissipate like it did for Vin and Rashek with the Well, he was in full instant-damage-control mode. Then he spent the next 300 years figuring out his limitations and becoming more familiar with all of that stuff and still isn't convinced he knows the full depths of stuff. All that aside, it is possible that Trell's intervention has stretched long enough and deep enough to have started as far back as the destruction of the Pits, since apparently there was a lot of trade happening out of Scadrial even then, but I think it would have backed off when everyone thought Scadrial was about to explode from Ruin and Preservation doing their thing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aspiring Writer Posted July 7, 2021 Report Share Posted July 7, 2021 19 minutes ago, Invocation said: He needed to fix that then, and since he thought the power was going to dissipate like it did for Vin and Rashek with the Well, he was in full instant-damage-control mode. Did he think that? Where does it say he thought the power would leave him? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Invocation Posted July 7, 2021 Report Share Posted July 7, 2021 19 minutes ago, Aspiring Writer said: Did he think that? Where does it say he thought the power would leave him? "And yet, the power did not evaporate from him, as he had expected it to." Page 717 of HoA, at least by the Kindle copy I have's reckoning. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Oltux72 Posted July 8, 2021 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2021 8 hours ago, Aspiring Writer said: I just find it unlikely that Trell would have taken action that early. As far as the rest of the cosmere was concerned, Scadrial was doomed. They expected Ruin to destroy Scadrial and move on. I can believe Trell had quickly been put into action after the catacendre, when it was clear Scadrial would survive and start becoming the most advanced planet in the cosmere, something Khriss had been able to foresee. But Trell was present on Scadrial before The Lord Ruler took power. He features in legends. Yes, he probably expected to head home and be reassigned soon or to seek a new world on his own, depending on whatever exactly he be and operate, but he would not miss the interesting part after centuries of boredom, would he? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aspiring Writer Posted July 8, 2021 Report Share Posted July 8, 2021 8 hours ago, Invocation said: "And yet, the power did not evaporate from him, as he had expected it to." Page 717 of HoA, at least by the Kindle copy I have's reckoning. Ah, thanks. Didn't remember that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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