Oltux72

Theory on the underlying mechanics of Feruchemy and its relation to Forgery

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Feruchemy does something routinely which other Arcane Arts, but one limit to very specific circumstances. Feruchemy creates temporary matter. That matter only stays temporary under some aspects. It shares this aspect with Forgery. If you break the seal on a Forged object, it reverts, but its products do not. That is, to take a trivial example, if your Forged arm is lost again, your sweaty sleeve does not become dry. Feruchemy also shows this characteristic distinction between exterior and interior. If your strength is lost again, the added matter goes away, but, staying with the exampe, your sweat does not go away, although physiologically some of it must have been part of the matter that appeared when you tapped your metalmind.

Feruchemy returns you to state that actually existed in a sense its deviation from reality is limited to overlapping, combining and temporarily shifting a state, but it does not invent change. Is this testable? Yes, take a Subsumer and malnourish him. His metalminds will carry the calories, but deficiency sicknesses will still set it. The metalminds don't nourish, no they restore an earlier state of having eaten.

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15 hours ago, Oltux72 said:

The metalminds don't nourish, no they restore an earlier state of having eaten.

I would say "states of having eaten" because the metalmind can store multiple sittings of eating food, but that's just nitpicking. 

This seems like how a part of the core of how Feruchemy and Forgery work

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On 6/17/2021 at 4:01 PM, Oltux72 said:

 The metalminds don't nourish, no they restore an earlier state of having eaten.

The kind of sentence you only get on the Shard (that's a good thing).

Anyway, this is a really good theory. Thinking in the same vein, where exactly does the mass a Feruchemist or Forger creates come from? If it comes out of nowhere, then the Cosmere has no law of conservation of mass. If it's a Physical/Cognitive/Spiritual Realm thing, then it could be that the Cosmere does have a law of conservation of mass, but it applies across all 3 realms instead of juts in the normal Physical realm.

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1 minute ago, MGershone said:

The kind of sentence you only get on the Shard (that's a good thing).

Anyway, this is a really good theory. Thinking in the same vein, where exactly does the mass a Feruchemist or Forger creates come from? If it comes out of nowhere, then the Cosmere has no law of conservation of mass. If it's a Physical/Cognitive/Spiritual Realm thing, then it could be that the Cosmere does have a law of conservation of mass, but it applies across all 3 realms instead of juts in the normal Physical realm.

In the Cosmere plausibility is a measurable objective property. The difference in how long a stamp will last makes that clear. I tink we must conclude that it is to some degree a multiverse or that the many-worlds hypothesis is verifiably true in it. And you can travel between those worlds to a limited extent. This has consequences for conservation of matter really (mass is obviously alterable). It is no closed system in terms of thermodynamics either.

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1 minute ago, Oltux72 said:

In the Cosmere plausibility is a measurable objective property.

Not sure what you mean. Can you clarify?

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4 minutes ago, Oltux72 said:

In the Cosmere plausibility is a measurable objective property. The difference in how long a stamp will last makes that clear. I tink we must conclude that it is to some degree a multiverse or that the many-worlds hypothesis is verifiably true in it.

I was thinking it’s more of an objects Identity

and if you stray to far from the identity the illusion falls apart but as long as it’s within bounds it will stick

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2 minutes ago, MGershone said:

Not sure what you mean. Can you clarify?

Forgery means rewriting the history of an object. The difficulty of making a stamp and its durability depend on how likely the alternate history is. As you can quantify durability and difficulty (not easily, but you can) you have an objective way to measure how plausible a story is.

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On 18/6/2021 at 10:22 PM, Oltux72 said:

In the Cosmere plausibility is a measurable objective property. The difference in how long a stamp will last makes that clear. I tink we must conclude that it is to some degree a multiverse or that the many-worlds hypothesis is verifiably true in it. And you can travel between those worlds to a limited extent. This has consequences for conservation of matter really (mass is obviously alterable). It is no closed system in terms of thermodynamics either.

Brandon has clearly stated that the laws of thermodynamics apply to the Cosmere (taking Investiture into account) and the total ammount of matter-energy-Investiture is conserved. It's a fundamental aspect of his worldbuilding.

When you see matter appear from nothing, it's probably an Investiture-matter conversion.

I'd love to discuss the holes you see in his law of conservation and respecting thermodynamics, though.

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