ConfusedCow Posted August 28, 2021 Report Share Posted August 28, 2021 Sadeas named four. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frustration Posted August 28, 2021 Report Share Posted August 28, 2021 (edited) 17 minutes ago, ConfusedCow said: Sadeas named four. *Coughs in Kaladin, Renarin and Shallan having to save him* Nale Charach Vendel Pailiah Ash Battar Kelek Taln Ishar Zahel Kaladin Dalinar Szeth Edited August 28, 2021 by Frustration 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Use the Falchion Posted August 28, 2021 Report Share Posted August 28, 2021 16 hours ago, ConfusedCow said: Um... Adolin is going to be Odium's champion. 1) He's the best fighter on Roshar and the most emotionally difficult to kill. Easy choice for Mr. T. 2) Like most villains, his hobbies are fashion, collecting exotic weapons, and political assassination. 3) Shallan feels safe around Adolin, but she feels hot around Kaladin. So that's going to end well. 4) This series is about how broken people can become heroes. We need to consider the opposite how someone pleasant and balanced can become evil. 5) His final confrontation with Shallan/Kal/Dalinar/Renarin is the conclusion of every emotional arc and thus the series. I...I think this is a joke, but I'm going to take it seriously (if only to play along). I don't think Adolin would be a willing champion. I think Moash is a pretty decent example of how someone (relatively) pleasant and balanced, when dealt a bad hand, can become evil. But even if Moash isn't, Adolin's decent would feel far too fast to be pulled off convincingly. Also, Adolin is in Shadesmar, and his current arc with Shallan seems to have little to do with the Contest at large at this point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConfusedCow Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 There have been hints of Adolin's impending descent. His assassination of Sadeas for starters. Also his worsening relationship with Dalinar. He hasn't really come to terms with blaming his father for his mother's death. His conspicuous lack of a spren. The loss of his horse. The way he plunges recklessly into battle. The way he seems lost in a quickly changing world and looks for something to hold on to. It's subtle, but it's there. The Kaladin-Shallan-Adolin love triangle going sideways and being a catalyst for Adolin's switch has also been significantly foreshadowed. Adolin never settledowns with a girl. Shallan literally does not know her own mind. That scene in the highstorm, in the chasms. A certain Freudian dynamic in Shallan, regarding Adolin and her father. This series is all about people switching sides, betrayal, the fallabilaity of people and the dangers of trust. From the Tower to the Recreance, from Shallan killing her parents to Moash betraying Kaladin. Adolin's fall "to the dark side" will be fast and shocking but also seem natural and real, because of the excellent foreshadowing and context. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frustration Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 12 minutes ago, ConfusedCow said: This series is all about people switching sides, betrayal, the fallabilaity of people and the dangers of trust. From the Tower to the Recreance, from Shallan killing her parents to Moash betraying Kaladin. Adolin's fall "to the dark side" will be fast and shocking but also seem natural and real, because of the excellent foreshadowing and context. I have to disagree with you on every level. 13 minutes ago, ConfusedCow said: There have been hints of Adolin's impending descent. His assassination of Sadeas for starters. Also his worsening relationship with Dalinar. He hasn't really come to terms with blaming his father for his mother's death. His conspicuous lack of a spren. The loss of his horse. The way he plunges recklessly into battle. The way he seems lost in a quickly changing world and looks for something to hold on to. It's subtle, but it's there. Adolin says he loves his father, and a lot of other character are reckless in battle. He has Gallant to replace Sureblood, and Maya both prevents him from bonding and acts as a spren 14 minutes ago, ConfusedCow said: The Kaladin-Shallan-Adolin love triangle going sideways and being a catalyst for Adolin's switch has also been significantly foreshadowed. Adolin never settledowns with a girl. Shallan literally does not know her own mind. That scene in the highstorm, in the chasms. A certain Freudian dynamic in Shallan, regarding Adolin and her father. Brandon has already said that that plot is resolved 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConfusedCow Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 @Frustration, Fair enough, another reason to look forward to number 5. Who do you think Odium's champion will be? El, the poet warrior lurking in the corner? Seems kind of straight forward, especially for someone who loves intricate complexity as much as Brandon. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frustration Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 3 minutes ago, ConfusedCow said: Who do you think Odium's champion will be? El, the poet warrior lurking in the corner? Yep. Who else could it be? Moash is blind Lezian is dead Adolin and Gavilnor wouldn't be willing(and gavilnor is anticlimactic as it gets) Nale is the only other one that makes sense, but why else would El be introduced? 5 minutes ago, ConfusedCow said: Seems kind of straight forward, especially for someone who loves intricate complexity as much as Brandon. What intricate complexity? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConfusedCow Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 What intricate complexity? ... WOB "GRRM is on the right track he just needs like 6 more worlds, each with like three magic system, and extra dimensional parallels, and 4 groups of non-human sentients, and an overarching 16 part celestial mythology. And let's have the same characters jump back and forth with different names. ... but keep it simple." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frustration Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 9 minutes ago, ConfusedCow said: What intricate complexity? ... WOB "GRRM is on the right track he just needs like 6 more worlds, each with like three magic system, and extra dimensional parallels, and 4 groups of non-human sentients, and an overarching 16 part celestial mythology. And let's have the same characters jump back and forth with different names. ... but keep it simple." It's really straight forward. I don't understand the people who say Brandon has masterful twists and you can never excpect what is coming, it's either pretty obvious or requires you to know information previously unknown. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TranslucentPhilosopher Posted August 30, 2021 Report Share Posted August 30, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, ConfusedCow said: There have been hints of Adolin's impending descent. His assassination of Sadeas for starters. Also his worsening relationship with Dalinar. He hasn't really come to terms with blaming his father for his mother's death. His conspicuous lack of a spren. The loss of his horse. The way he plunges recklessly into battle. The way he seems lost in a quickly changing world and looks for something to hold on to. It's subtle, but it's there. The Kaladin-Shallan-Adolin love triangle going sideways and being a catalyst for Adolin's switch has also been significantly foreshadowed. Adolin never settledowns with a girl. Shallan literally does not know her own mind. That scene in the highstorm, in the chasms. A certain Freudian dynamic in Shallan, regarding Adolin and her father. This series is all about people switching sides, betrayal, the fallabilaity of people and the dangers of trust. From the Tower to the Recreance, from Shallan killing her parents to Moash betraying Kaladin. Adolin's fall "to the dark side" will be fast and shocking but also seem natural and real, because of the excellent foreshadowing and context. While working on a theory I got completely sidetracked by the thought that we still haven't seen all of the internal Kholin drama explode and I agree with everything you've said. Also add to it in RoW Adolin thinks about how he will not fail no matter the price (and the price of things being a big theme in Stormlight), the references of Adolin having a lot of Dalinar in him (this probably does not refer to Dalinar's honorable side...) and the Kaladin/Shallan thing definitely going to blow up in one way or another the next book with Veil and Shallan becoming one person again. There's also the possibility we may be getting Gavilar as a CS, with further potential to turn things even uglier... so yeah. Adolin is a ticking time bomb that TOdium will try to exploit. Edited August 30, 2021 by TranslucentPhilosopher Grammar and spelling. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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