Dullform Posted June 7, 2021 Report Share Posted June 7, 2021 (edited) I was just wondering is there any confirmation that Thaidakar is Kelsier? I love the theory but in a recent cosmere spoiler stream Brandon explained avatars and from what he said it seems pretty clear that only shards can have avatars, so if Mraize is to be believed he tells Shalan that Thaidakar only comes to Roshar in "avatar form" does this mean that Thaidakar is one of the shards? Edited June 7, 2021 by Dullform 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+CallsignZen Posted June 7, 2021 Report Share Posted June 7, 2021 thaidakar as a shard is a genuinely terrifying concept. 1 hour ago, Dullform said: I was just wondering is there any confirmation that Thaidakar is Kelsier? yes, this has been confirmed. 1 hour ago, Dullform said: only shards can have avatars do we know this is true? it makes sense kind of, but i think cognitive shadows can have them too???? maybe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dullform Posted June 7, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2021 19 minutes ago, CallsignZen said: yes, this has been confirmed. Cool, can you share the source? For the record, this is what I was referring to https://youtu.be/A67G4ObX7CM?t=3933 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espella Posted June 7, 2021 Report Share Posted June 7, 2021 According to WoB Thaidakar doesn't actually have an avatar, he's stuck in Scadrial and just pretending to have an avatar using some method that hasn't been made canon yet (source: https://wob.coppermind.net/events/460/#e14641). Also of note is reading through the Kelsier WoBs on Arcanum he never explicitly says "Thaidakar is Kelsier" so I suppose there's room for some exact words shenanigans where the two are different, though all of the WoBs involving the two of them seem to pretty heavily imply that Thaidakar and Kelsier are the same (and there might be an explicit confirmation I missed somewhere), and along with the fact that Thaidakar calls himself the Lord of Scars and Hoid mentions he's hit him in the past, which isn't something he can do to most people, I would say we're pretty clearly supposed to make the connection that Thaidakar is Kelsier. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaidakar the Ghostblood Posted June 7, 2021 Report Share Posted June 7, 2021 me being a shard? no, Dawnshard. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Vodid_Tandal Posted June 8, 2021 Report Share Posted June 8, 2021 Here's a good clip from the last spoiler stream of Brandon talking about deciding whether or not to bring back Kelsier, and TenSoon being a possible Thaidakar at one point! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A67G4ObX7CM&t=84m16s 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honorless Posted June 8, 2021 Report Share Posted June 8, 2021 (edited) Wow, we really missed out on watching Shallan's expression when she finds out that the top dog of the Ghostbloods is a talking dog Edited June 10, 2021 by Honorless 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dullform Posted June 8, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2021 17 hours ago, Espella said: According to WoB Thaidakar doesn't actually have an avatar, he's stuck in Scadrial and just pretending to have an avatar using some method that hasn't been made canon yet Well that answers the question then. From the other replies I'm now convinced that it is indeed Kelsier, thank you all. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elegy Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 Well, even considering that Thaidakar is not a Shard now, I would be surprised if he didn't really want to become one. He got a taste of the power and what he could potentially achieve with it, and he's a Cosmere-aware megalomaniac. It seems very plausible that it's sort of a dream of his. I hope he finds out where Ambition was Splintered and finds a way to reforge it. If there's someone who could find a way, it's him. And that Shard is the perfect fit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunu’anaki Posted June 10, 2021 Report Share Posted June 10, 2021 6 hours ago, Elegy said: Well, even considering that Thaidakar is not a Shard now, I would be surprised if he didn't really want to become one. He got a taste of the power and what he could potentially achieve with it, and he's a Cosmere-aware megalomaniac. It seems very plausible that it's sort of a dream of his. I hope he finds out where Ambition was Splintered and finds a way to reforge it. If there's someone who could find a way, it's him. And that Shard is the perfect fit. Ambition is great for him and makes more sense from a story perspective... but I really feel like Autonomy would fit him better! ...or both Ambition and Autonomy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honorless Posted June 10, 2021 Report Share Posted June 10, 2021 4 hours ago, Lunu’anaki said: ...or both Ambition and Autonomy The Shard of Revolution! 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunu’anaki Posted June 11, 2021 Report Share Posted June 11, 2021 17 hours ago, Honorless said: The Shard of Revolution! I love it! That would be perfect for him! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaidakar the Ghostblood Posted June 15, 2021 Report Share Posted June 15, 2021 On 6/10/2021 at 2:25 AM, Honorless said: The Shard of Revolution! hm... interesting theory. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aspiring Writer Posted June 15, 2021 Report Share Posted June 15, 2021 On 6/7/2021 at 3:49 PM, Espella said: According to WoB Thaidakar doesn't actually have an avatar, he's stuck in Scadrial and just pretending to have an avatar using some method that hasn't been made canon yet (source: https://wob.coppermind.net/events/460/#e14641). Also of note is reading through the Kelsier WoBs on Arcanum he never explicitly says "Thaidakar is Kelsier" so I suppose there's room for some exact words shenanigans where the two are different, though all of the WoBs involving the two of them seem to pretty heavily imply that Thaidakar and Kelsier are the same (and there might be an explicit confirmation I missed somewhere), and along with the fact that Thaidakar calls himself the Lord of Scars and Hoid mentions he's hit him in the past, which isn't something he can do to most people, I would say we're pretty clearly supposed to make the connection that Thaidakar is Kelsier. I've asked him a question relating to Kelsier's state and if whatever Ishar is doing with Spren could help him and he said yes, so it is highly likely Kelsier is Thaidakar 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frustration Posted June 15, 2021 Report Share Posted June 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Aspiring Writer said: I've asked him a question relating to Kelsier's state and if whatever Ishar is doing with Spren could help him and he said yes, so it is highly likely Kelsier is Thaidakar Brandon has confirmed that to be the case. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honorless Posted June 16, 2021 Report Share Posted June 16, 2021 12 hours ago, Thaidakar the Ghostblood said: hm... interesting theory. Ah, the man himself. Care to confirm or refute the theory of your real identity? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaidakar the Ghostblood Posted June 16, 2021 Report Share Posted June 16, 2021 12 hours ago, Honorless said: Ah, the man himself. Care to confirm or refute the theory of your real identity? ah, hm, well Brandon has explicitly told me not to tell you until he reveals it fully, so sorry. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frustration Posted June 16, 2021 Report Share Posted June 16, 2021 27 minutes ago, Thaidakar the Ghostblood said: ah, hm, well Brandon has explicitly told me not to tell you until he reveals it fully, so sorry. Since when do you let Brandon tell you what to do? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phlipz1 Posted June 16, 2021 Report Share Posted June 16, 2021 To damnation with that, when did you let ANYONE tell you what to do. Shard of autonomy means nothing when you bow to authority- oh my god kelsier is an anarchist 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaidakar the Ghostblood Posted June 16, 2021 Report Share Posted June 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Frustration said: Since when do you let Brandon tell you what to do? *smiles* so, Brandon threatened to kill me for real this time soooo..... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bejarden Posted June 16, 2021 Report Share Posted June 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, Thaidakar the Ghostblood said: *smiles* so, Brandon threatened to kill me for real this time soooo..... But your the one thing he can never kill! You are Hope Do what you’ve always done: Survive 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaidakar the Ghostblood Posted June 16, 2021 Report Share Posted June 16, 2021 4 minutes ago, Bejardin1250 said: But your the one thing he can never kill! You are Hope Do what you’ve always done: Survive I know, but Brandon he is Ado, or at least that is what Khriss has tried to tell me.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoid the Former Drifter Posted June 22, 2021 Report Share Posted June 22, 2021 On 6/16/2021 at 4:07 PM, Thaidakar the Ghostblood said: I know, but Brandon he is Ado, or at least that is what Khriss has tried to tell me.... Then he's dead and can't kill you, so there goes Khriss's theory 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaidakar the Ghostblood Posted June 22, 2021 Report Share Posted June 22, 2021 (edited) Just now, Hoid the Drifter said: Then he's dead and can't kill you, so there goes Khriss's theory or is he.... wait drifter! prepare to be slapped! Edited June 22, 2021 by Thaidakar the Ghostblood 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoid the Former Drifter Posted June 22, 2021 Report Share Posted June 22, 2021 i can still beat you harder than you can beat me... Shadesmar, in the tower, at sunrise? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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