Frustration Posted June 7, 2021 Report Share Posted June 7, 2021 Just now, Bejardin1250 said: Agreement Bound Trapped Contract whatever it’s beside the point, at the end of the day it will remain No it won't an Oath cannot be broken, a prison can, MB Spoiler Ruin eventually would have escaped with or without Vin. So the binding Honor did, doesn't matter anywhere near as much as an Oath does. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bejarden Posted June 7, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Frustration said: No it won't an Oath cannot be broken, a prison can, MB Reveal hidden contents Ruin eventually would have escaped with or without Vin. So the binding Honor did, doesn't matter anywhere near as much as an Oath does. What I’m saying is that contract 2 added nothing No Oath was made 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frustration Posted June 7, 2021 Report Share Posted June 7, 2021 Just now, Bejardin1250 said: What I’m saying is that contract 2 added nothing No Oath was made THE contract is an oath, and as such Odium is forced to remain in the Rosharan system so long as it is in effect. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bejarden Posted June 7, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2021 Just now, Frustration said: THE contract is an oath, and as such Odium is forced to remain in the Rosharan system so long as it is in effect. I’m saying the Contract/Oath (whatever you want to call it) had nothing in it saying Odium is now bound to the system It says he Remains bound implying that it’s saying the first agreement/trap/bound/whatever you want to call it, is what’s keeping him their 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frustration Posted June 7, 2021 Report Share Posted June 7, 2021 Just now, Bejardin1250 said: I’m saying the Contract/Oath (whatever you want to call it) had nothing in it saying Odium is now bound to the system It says he Remains bound implying that it’s saying the first agreement/trap/bound/whatever you want to call it, is what’s keeping him their and if it where removed what happens? he can't violate the contract, so either he binds himself or interprets the contract as binding him, the actual binding itself is now redundent. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bejarden Posted June 7, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Frustration said: and if it where removed what happens? he can't violate the contract, so either he binds himself or interprets the contract as binding him, the actual binding itself is now redundent. If Agreement (this is what I’m referring it as for convenience) is broken Odium is freed If Contract is broken he is not If Dalinar breaks it himself it might be different since it would put him in Odiums power and holes in souls but that could go either way But the point is neither has to do with the words in the contract Just the act of breaking it (unless a WoB contradicts me) Edited June 7, 2021 by Bejardin1250 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frustration Posted June 7, 2021 Report Share Posted June 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Bejardin1250 said: If Agreement (this is what I’m referring it as for convenience) is broken Odium is freed If Contract is broken he is not If Dalinar breaks it himself it might be different since it would put him in Odiums power and holes in souls but that could go either way But the point is neither has to do with the words in the contract Just the act of breaking it (unless a WoB contradicts me) but the binding becomes removeable, it's the difference between shackles, and irremoveable ones 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bejarden Posted June 7, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, Frustration said: but the binding becomes removeable, it's the difference between shackles, and irremoveable ones We are clearly having a disconnect in communication You are saying that the Contract adds a security to Odiums Bonding I disagree Am I right with this? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frustration Posted June 7, 2021 Report Share Posted June 7, 2021 Just now, Bejardin1250 said: We are clearly having a disconnect in communication You are saying that the Contract adds a security to Odiums Bonding I disagree Am I right with this? Makes it impossible for him to leave rather than increadibly difficult, but yes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bejarden Posted June 7, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2021 Just now, Frustration said: Makes it impossible for him to leave rather than increadibly difficult, but yes. Ok glad we cleared up the disagreement (I hope) Is this an agree to disagree or do you have a reason I’m wrong? Because I can’t prove you wrong and can’t prove me right except for what I’ve already said 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frustration Posted June 7, 2021 Report Share Posted June 7, 2021 Just now, Bejardin1250 said: Ok glad we cleared up the disagreement (I hope) Is this an agree to disagree or do you have a reason I’m wrong? Because I can’t prove you wrong and can’t prove me right except for what I’ve already said I can barely follow this but sure. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bejarden Posted June 7, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2021 Just now, Frustration said: I can barely follow this but sure. Yeah I had to reread the thread a few times to find out what was happening 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScadrianTank Posted June 7, 2021 Report Share Posted June 7, 2021 If a duel that was foreshadowed as far as book 1 will be undermined by Odium just throwing a five-year-old at Dalinar, I'm gonna riot. There have to be other ways of bringing Dalinar low that don't involve children as opponents. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bejarden Posted June 8, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2021 7 hours ago, ScadrianTank said: If a duel that was foreshadowed as far as book 1 will be undermined by Odium just throwing a five-year-old at Dalinar, I'm gonna riot. There have to be other ways of bringing Dalinar low that don't involve children as opponents. Then what’s your idea? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frustration Posted June 8, 2021 Report Share Posted June 8, 2021 27 minutes ago, Bejardin1250 said: Then what’s your idea? Not having another idea does not mean he has to default to a bad idea. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bejarden Posted June 8, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2021 Just now, Frustration said: Not having another idea does not mean he has to default to a bad idea. I never said it does... I’m just asking, is that not allowed? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frustration Posted June 8, 2021 Report Share Posted June 8, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Bejardin1250 said: I never said it does... I’m just asking, is that not allowed? Given the context that was the most likely follow up, especially as this isn't a discussion of possible Odium plans but the Child champion theory. I may have come off too forceful with that and I am sorry. Edited June 8, 2021 by Frustration 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bejarden Posted June 8, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2021 5 minutes ago, Frustration said: Given the context that was the most likely follow up, especially as this isn't a discussion of possible Odium plans but the Child champion theory. I may have come off too forceful with that and I am sorry. It’s fine I’m trying to make a general “who do you think the Champion will be” thread and it should be posted soon 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScadrianTank Posted June 8, 2021 Report Share Posted June 8, 2021 2 hours ago, Bejardin1250 said: Then what’s your idea? I don't really have anything better. The last line I added to my KoW predictions doc is "TOdium will make Vyre his avatar." And it would be fine as just a big battle, similar to Vin's last fight in HoA, where she Ascended halfway through, a duel between Ascended Dalinar and Odium's avatar would be big and flashy. But it doesn't have any emotional impact on us, the readers, or Dalinar himself because, at this point, Moash is just an evil dude. It's actually worse because it robs us of a potential resolution of Moash and Kaladin. Same thing with Szeth, he is a significant threat, but it would just be a magical fight. Adolin could be a great foil for Dalinar, but he doesn't have magical powers to oppose a Bondsmith. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frustration Posted June 8, 2021 Report Share Posted June 8, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, ScadrianTank said: I don't really have anything better. The last line I added to my KoW predictions doc is "TOdium will make Vyre his avatar." And it would be fine as just a big battle, similar to ************, a duel between Ascended Dalinar and Odium's avatar would be big and flashy. But it doesn't have any emotional impact on us, the readers, or Dalinar himself because, at this point, Moash is just an evil dude. It's actually worse because it robs us of a potential resolution of Moash and Kaladin. Same thing with Szeth, he is a significant threat, but it would just be a magical fight. Adolin could be a great foil for Dalinar, but he doesn't have magical powers to oppose a Bondsmith. MB spoilers and there was no halfay about it. Edited June 8, 2021 by Frustration 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScadrianTank Posted June 8, 2021 Report Share Posted June 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, Frustration said: and there was no halfay about it. I meant in the middle of the fight, sorry. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AquaRegia Posted June 8, 2021 Report Share Posted June 8, 2021 14 hours ago, Bejardin1250 said: It’s fine I’m trying to make a general “who do you think the Champion will be” thread and it should be posted soon There have been several threads about this already, including a poll: My opinion is that if you somehow still think Gavilar isn't the obvious Champion for Odium, you are not paying attention. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bejarden Posted June 8, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2021 6 hours ago, AquaRegia said: My opinion is that if you somehow still think Gavilar isn't the obvious Champion for Odium, you are not paying attention. I have been paying attention But most people have not been And that is why it won’t be Gavilar 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AquaRegia Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 5 hours ago, Bejardin1250 said: I have been paying attention But most people have not been And that is why it won’t be Gavilar I wish we could make a bet. One of us will just have to settle for a nice big "I told you so" in 2023. ;-) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frustration Posted June 11, 2021 Report Share Posted June 11, 2021 On 6/8/2021 at 9:51 AM, AquaRegia said: My opinion is that if you somehow still think Gavilar isn't the obvious Champion for Odium, you are not paying attention. Have you seen my theories? I pay far more attention than shoud ever be paid. Gaviar is possible, but second to El, by a lot. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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