miqius Posted May 24, 2021 Report Share Posted May 24, 2021 Hi! I'm new in this wonderful community and I'm amazed by how well connected (lower c heh) y'all are on this site and with Brandon. I'd really like Him to answer a question and I thought asking you here would be the best way to know how. Thanks in advance and see you on the forums! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinkoln Posted May 24, 2021 Report Share Posted May 24, 2021 I think the best way to ask Brandon a question is to either go to one of his book signings or ask him a question on Reddit. Welcome to the Shard! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miqius Posted May 24, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2021 (edited) Thanks! Happy to be here! To ask on Reddit should I just post the question on r/brandonsanderson and hope to be seen and answered? (Sorry I'm new to Reddit too.) I'll write the question here too in case anyone knows the answer. COSMERE SPOILERS I was wondering whether when someone travels through the Cognitive Realm (via Shardpools, Oathgates, Transportation or whatever means) the physical body disappears/turns into energy or investiture and then reforms again when they come back, or if both bodies are formed by the exact same atoms. Brandon said something on these lines when explaining the formation of the physical body of a Vessel when they die (not the same body pre-Ascention, but a conversion of energy/investiture -with the info of how the body was- into mass). Maybe he has answered (or RAFOed, most likely) this question before and someone here has some knowledge about this. Edit: now I'm thinking I should've just looked for a forum about this and post it there hahaha but anyway, if anyone sees this and wants to share knowledge/theories here I am Edited May 24, 2021 by Miqius 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frustration Posted May 24, 2021 Report Share Posted May 24, 2021 17 minutes ago, Miqius said: Thanks! Happy to be here! To ask on Reddit should I just post the question on r/brandonsanderson and hope to be seen and answered? (Sorry I'm new to Reddit too.) I'll write the question here too in case anyone knows the answer. COSMERE SPOILERS I was wondering whether when someone travels through the Cognitive Realm (via Shardpools, Oathgates, Transportation or whatever means) the physical body disappears/turns into energy or investiture and then reforms again when they come back, or if both bodies are formed by the exact same atoms. Brandon said something on these lines when explaining the formation of the physical body of a Vessel when they die (not the same body pre-Ascention, but a conversion of energy/investiture -with the info of how the body was- into mass). Maybe he has answered (or RAFOed, most likely) this question before and someone here has some knowledge about this. Edit: now I'm thinking I should've just looked for a forum about this and post it there hahaha but anyway, if anyone sees this and wants to share knowledge/theories here I am Likely the same atoms, perpendicularities are often describe as piercing all three realms so they should just pop through without needing to be deconstructed/reconstructed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miqius Posted May 24, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2021 2 hours ago, Frustration said: Likely the same atoms, perpendicularities are often describe as piercing all three realms so they should just pop through without needing to be deconstructed/reconstructed. Yeah I thought that too. A perpendicularity certainly pierces all three realms at a point, but I have trouble imagining the physical body actually existing in the Cognitive outside the perpendicularity. It's true that when you're there you take up your physical form instead of the flame that usually represents your cognitive self, but I thought maybe that was just a representation and not the actual physical body. I say this only for the sake of the discussion hahaha I believe what Brandon has in mind is more along the lines of what you say. (I think my trouble is I've always thought of the Cognitive Realm as realm without matter, only Investiture and Energy --whereas the Spiritual has only Investiture and the Physical all three-- so having a physical body in the Cognitive is weird to me.) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AquaRegia Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 It's an interesting question, because obviously some characters have used the Cognitive Realm to move from one solar system to another. If their physical bodies are made of the same atoms, then those atoms have travelled WAY beyond the speed of light somehow. As a science guy, lots of things about how physical bodies exist in Shadesmar bother me. But in the end, it's all just fantasy... so MAGIC, right? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miqius Posted May 29, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2021 (edited) On 25/5/2021 at 5:22 PM, AquaRegia said: If their physical bodies are made of the same atoms, then those atoms have travelled WAY beyond the speed of light somehow. Not necessarily, because Brandon describes the Cognitive Realm as a 3D space where you have an expansion of space on inhabited places and a high compression where there's nobody, and dimensions don't correlate one to one with the Physical. So I can see matter traveling through the cognitive in a wormhole sort of way. (One theory behind wormholes is that 3D space folds into a 4th dimension getting 2 points closer than they should be, right? Making the distance traveled shorter and thus not exceeding light-speed.) Here, the Cognitive would be the fourth (and fifth and sixth, I guess) dimension, where you travel a short distance between two points that are farther apart in the Physical because that space in-between is compressed there. So no FTL travel here (yet ). But I have trouble with physical bodies in the Cognitive, still. There's a reference in Secret History that I believe supports my theory/way of viewing the Cognitive now that I think about it: Spoiler Drifter aka Hoid tells Kelsier that what he thinks he feels by touching cognitive stuff and living there (like exhaustion for running for a long time) isn't real, but a product of his imagination and common sense that tells him how and what he should feel. And true, Kelsier doesn't have any Connection to the Physical Realm at that point and has no physical body, but Hoid does. And he tells him that the pain Kelsier feels when feeling Hoid's fist with his face is not real either, so I wonder how is that interaction possible if, indeed, Hoid (as a worldhopper traveling through the Cognitive Realm) is hitting Kelsier's Cognitive Shadow with a Physical fist. Edited May 29, 2021 by Miqius 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScadrianTank Posted May 29, 2021 Report Share Posted May 29, 2021 From all the WoBs I read since getting into cosmere, the impression I got was that travel to and via the Cognitive realm works a lot like Nether in Minecraft. You get into the portal you come out on the other side. And once there, it's not like you are moving at FTL speed because space is bent or compressed - it's that areas without a firm Cognitive representation are either absent or smaller. So a meter in a Cognitive realm is still the same as a meter in a Physical, but the distances between places are shorter on average. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormblessed0421 Posted May 30, 2021 Report Share Posted May 30, 2021 On 5/29/2021 at 0:11 PM, ScadrianTank said: From all the WoBs I read since getting into cosmere, the impression I got was that travel to and via the Cognitive realm works a lot like Nether in Minecraft. You get into the portal you come out on the other side. And once there, it's not like you are moving at FTL speed because space is bent or compressed - it's that areas without a firm Cognitive representation are either absent or smaller. So a meter in a Cognitive realm is still the same as a meter in a Physical, but the distances between places are shorter on average. Wow I’ve never thought of it that way but that’s a great analogy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+asmodeus Posted June 8, 2021 Report Share Posted June 8, 2021 Quote Bromo_Sapien When somebody travels into the Cognitive Realm, what happens to their physical self? To their body? Like Elsecalling or through a Shardpool? Brandon Sanderson Well it depends on the way they’re doing it. The two ways you’ve mentioned transport the physical body. It’s actually creating a rift and slipping them through. But there are other ways that you kind of peek in, where your body’s saying it’s a little more astral projection-y in those cases. Bromo_Sapien So their physical self would also be in the Cognitive Realm? Brandon Sanderson Yes. Bromo_Sapien Okay. Brandon Sanderson Which is weird. Bromo_Sapien As opposed to somebody like Kelsier who died and no longer has a physical self. Brandon Sanderson Yes, right. Or when Shallan is Soulcasting and peeking in, and things like this. It can still be dangerous, because what’s happening is that little soul bubble there that’s manifesting into a version of your soul and then things can get at it in different ways and stuff. So... But yes, going in physically means you just pop between realms, and yeah, yeah… Bromo_Sapien And when they leave the Cognitive Realm their Physical self just leaves the Cognitive Realm the same... Brandon Sanderson Yep, mhm, yep. Bromo_Sapien Perfect. Brandon Sanderson Basically you’re transferring into Investiture and popping out of Investiture, so... Boskone 54 (Feb. 17, 2017) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoey Posted June 8, 2021 Report Share Posted June 8, 2021 As others said, best to do it on his Reddit, or to ask him at a book signing. He is usually quite happy to answer questions as long as he can it isn't a spoiler. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miqius Posted June 21, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2021 On 8/6/2021 at 2:37 PM, asmodeus said: Brandon Sanderson Basically you’re transferring into Investiture and popping out of Investiture, so... Wait, what??? So the body is made of Investiture in the CR(?). Or is he saying it transfers into Investiture while travelling and popps out of Investiture into the CR? If not, now all the reasons I was given on reddit don't fit! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aspiring Writer Posted June 22, 2021 Report Share Posted June 22, 2021 On 5/24/2021 at 0:03 PM, Miqius said: Hi! I'm new in this wonderful community and I'm amazed by how well connected (lower c heh) y'all are on this site and with Brandon. I'd really like Him to answer a question and I thought asking you here would be the best way to know how. Thanks in advance and see you on the forums! Watch for when he does live signings, you can comment on stream chat on youtube and have someone ask your question to him, I got one of my questions asked in either the first or second stream I joined off his. Really not that hard. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoid the Former Drifter Posted June 24, 2021 Report Share Posted June 24, 2021 (edited) Hey, @Miqius, welcome! Who's your favorite character and which character do you hate the most? What order of radiant are you/ do you want to be? If you could choose one allomantic power, what would you choose? What about one feruchemical power? if you were a twinborn, what would you want to be? Of all the powers in the cosmere, which one do you most want to have? which of sando's books do you like the most? This includes not cosmere books like reckoners, legion, rithmatist, alcatraz How many more questions can i ask before you stop reading this? Edited June 24, 2021 by Hoid the Drifter 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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