Rashekin Posted April 24, 2021 Report Share Posted April 24, 2021 Well, I have not yet fully learned English, I am far from level enough to read a manuscript as long as this book is. So I wanted to see if someone could help me by answering various questions about the book. (I don't care about spoilers for this one, because it's non-canon and besides, I'll still read it one day.) The questions are: In what places does the plot take place? (TWoK takes place in Shattered Plains and Kharbranth.) What important or recurring SA characters don't exist here on TWoK Prime? What is the role of the Heralds here? Are the Shards or Adonalsium named? (Very improbable, I know.) Hoid appears? And if so, what role does he have? What is the climax of the book? (In TWoK it is the Battle of the Tower.) Does Stormfather exist? (I know there is no spren in this book, but it is still a doubt.) Which characters are better here than in SA, and vice versa? I would be infinitely grateful if someone could clarify all those doubts for me! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frustration Posted April 24, 2021 Report Share Posted April 24, 2021 52 minutes ago, Rashekin said: Well, I have not yet fully learned English, I am far from level enough to read a manuscript as long as this book is. So I wanted to see if someone could help me by answering various questions about the book. (I don't care about spoilers for this one, because it's non-canon and besides, I'll still read it one day.) The questions are: In what places does the plot take place? (TWoK takes place in Shattered Plains and Kharbranth.) What important or recurring SA characters don't exist here on TWoK Prime? What is the role of the Heralds here? Are the Shards or Adonalsium named? (Very improbable, I know.) Hoid appears? And if so, what role does he have? What is the climax of the book? (In TWoK it is the Battle of the Tower.) Does Stormfather exist? (I know there is no spren in this book, but it is still a doubt.) Which characters are better here than in SA, and vice versa? I would be infinitely grateful if someone could clarify all those doubts for me! Roshar is a lot different in Prime, none of the places match up. Shallan and Kaladin are so different they might as well not be the same people Heralds have the same role, but are more sane, and active in the plot The Almighty is still there, and is clearly at least something resembling a shard if you know what to look for, but isn't named Hoid does not appear There is a battle but I don't know if it has a name. Stormfather is not present Shinri is better than Shallan, Jek is worse than Szeth but not by much, I like Jasnah more. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rashekin Posted April 25, 2021 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2021 6 hours ago, Frustration said: Roshar is a lot different in Prime, none of the places match up. Thanks for clarifying my doubts! 6 hours ago, Frustration said: Heralds have the same role, but are more sane, and active in the plot Are they still the same as in SA? You know, Jezrien, Nale, Pailiah... Although I do know that Taln is a PoV recurring character. 6 hours ago, Frustration said: Hoid does not appear I find it strange that it does not appear. At that point, Brandon had already created Hoid and put him in Elantris (which he wrote in 1999.) 6 hours ago, Frustration said: Shinri is better than Shallan, Jek is worse than Szeth but not by much, I like Jasnah more. Jek is still the assassin, as well as Szeth? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frustration Posted April 25, 2021 Report Share Posted April 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, Rashekin said: Are they still the same as in SA? You know, Jezrien, Nale, Pailiah... Although I do know that Taln is a PoV recurring character. Yes they have the same names 2 minutes ago, Rashekin said: Jek is still the assassin, as well as Szeth? Yes Jek was Szeth's early name 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bejarden Posted April 25, 2021 Report Share Posted April 25, 2021 It’s very different from SA, BS changes the entire plot and most of the characters. there’s a few similarities that are easy to pick up on. I do think Shallan is better than Shinri though Szeth is better than jek. All in all its a good book, gets a bit long winded 2/3 in but after that it speeds up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eternal Khol Posted April 27, 2021 Report Share Posted April 27, 2021 On 4/24/2021 at 1:37 PM, Frustration said: Shallan and Kaladin are so different they might as well not be the same people Because Shallan actually is a different character lol Brandon said that he considers Shinri and Shallan to be 2 different characters that share the same last name. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frustration Posted April 27, 2021 Report Share Posted April 27, 2021 29 minutes ago, Eternal Khol said: Because Shallan actually is a different character lol Brandon said that he considers Shinri and Shallan to be 2 different characters that share the same last name. What actually makes them different characters? Why does Shiniri get to be someone else and Merin is Kaladin? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eternal Khol Posted April 27, 2021 Report Share Posted April 27, 2021 (edited) 16 hours ago, Frustration said: What actually makes them different characters? Why does Shiniri get to be someone else and Merin is Kaladin? The simplest answer? Because Brandon says so? Brandon mustve took the core values of Merin and really just applied/refined that into Kaladin. He didnt want to create a whole new character so he tweaked the already existing "template". Changed his name and a key decision in life and boom... you have Kaladin. Brandon said that Merin is pretty much the same as Kaladin, if he had only chosen a different path in life(keeping the Shards instead of rejecting them) Brandon actually kept Kal's name as Merin up until one of the later drafts of the published Way of Kings. Merin really just got refined into Kaladin He mustve disliked some core aspects of Shinri's personality that just made him go "its time for a do over"(he states in like 4 WoB that he doesnt view them as the same at all. He had to have disliked something about her to completely exise and replace her, but keep the plot of a Davar ward of Jasnah) So... instead of modelling Shallans character after what he wanted her to be like(like Kal/Merin), he modeled her character over what he knew he didnt want her to be like (Shinri) And that is what makes Kal/merin the same/similar and Shallan/Shinri different. Edited April 27, 2021 by Eternal Khol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
For T2 Posted May 2, 2021 Report Share Posted May 2, 2021 I just finished the canon version of TWoK for the first time today. I also won a hardcover copy of the Prime version which I am quite excited to eventually read. I think I will read the 3 other SA novels and the 2 novellas first and then read the prime version. I've read Prime spoils some things in books 2 and 3. Can the same be said for RoW? I'm curious of those who've read all the current books, thoughts. Does Prime give a deeper look into some of the minds of the characters or is all basically just a completely separate story, irrelevant to the canon story that is out so far? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bejarden Posted May 2, 2021 Report Share Posted May 2, 2021 It’s pretty irrelevant after you’ve read TWoK. Theres some of the same characters names but their completely different in basically every way 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
For T2 Posted May 2, 2021 Report Share Posted May 2, 2021 Would you recommend reading it? At 800+ pages is it worthwhile in your opinion? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bejarden Posted May 2, 2021 Report Share Posted May 2, 2021 If you have time. I found it good for 1/3 of the book, but it’s pretty dragy in the beginning and middle and... end I read it during the shutdowns of Covid but if I had anything else to do I wouldn’t read it again Other people probably have different opinions but there is a reason that Brandon didn’t publish it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frustration Posted May 2, 2021 Report Share Posted May 2, 2021 6 minutes ago, Ghost of Hrathen said: Would you recommend reading it? At 800+ pages is it worthwhile in your opinion? I almost liked it more that WoK 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
For T2 Posted May 2, 2021 Report Share Posted May 2, 2021 Thanks for your thoughts. I will hold off on reading it until I finish all of Brandon’s canon Cosmere books first. I really enjoyed book 1 and am pumped to start WoR tomorrow. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weltall Posted May 4, 2021 Report Share Posted May 4, 2021 Well, you've already decided to do so but I'd suggest to anyone else thinking about it that they wait until reading Oathbringer before picking up WoKP, because while the latter doesn't go into details it does mention things that are obviously equivalent to big reveals in the canon works up to that book, even if the names have changed. Also, while the individual characters' arcs will differ from their canon versions there are some things that Prime can spoil you on, even if the hows and whys are different. And I'll add my voice for 'it's worth reading', especially if you like seeing how Brandon's writing has developed over time. It's not as polished as WoK obviously and it has some rough bits, but I didn't regret the time reading it and would read it again. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
For T2 Posted May 6, 2021 Report Share Posted May 6, 2021 On 5/4/2021 at 0:51 PM, Weltall said: Well, you've already decided to do so but I'd suggest to anyone else thinking about it that they wait until reading Oathbringer before picking up WoKP, because while the latter doesn't go into details it does mention things that are obviously equivalent to big reveals in the canon works up to that book, even if the names have changed. Also, while the individual characters' arcs will differ from their canon versions there are some things that Prime can spoil you on, even if the hows and whys are different. And I'll add my voice for 'it's worth reading', especially if you like seeing how Brandon's writing has developed over time. It's not as polished as WoK obviously and it has some rough bits, but I didn't regret the time reading it and would read it again. Thank you for sharing. You confirmed some doubts I was having. I am glad I found a hardcover copy of Prime but I will hold off on reading until I am at least caught up on the SA. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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