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how powerful is hoid's immortality

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How powerful is hoid's immortality?

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14 hours ago, vonnegut said:

I think the better question is.... WHY is Hoid's immortality? Is it just a matter of, Lord-Ruler-style compounding?  Or is it more? 

As mentioned, Hoid held a Dawnshard at one point, it was doing weird things to his aging in Dragonsteel Prime and even though he's no longer holding it, it seems to have left permanent aftereffects not unlike a Sliver. It's definitely more than something like atium compounding because that actually has limitations while Hoid's immortality (so far as we know) does not.

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Would Miles Hundredlives have survived decapitation?  
(And ok, that's what has been bothering me for a long time... Miles can be blown up, sure, okay, he explodes himself.  But if you straight CUT HIS HEAD OFF, how would that heal?  Would the body grow a new head, or would the head grow a new body?  I mean, if you're being REALLY careful, and shipping the severed head to another town.)

The greater portion of a body regrows the remainder. If by some method you end up in exactly equal parts your soul randomly picks one and you regenerate from that half.

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About Miles from Alloy of Law and his regenerative powers. If he was bisected down the middle and the halves were separated immediately before the healing process could begin, would the two halves each regrow into a whole Miles?

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Good question. In all of the Cosmere's Shard-based magics, the greater portion of a bisected body regrows the lesser portion. If it were done EXACTLY halfway, the soul wold jump to one or the other randomly and that would regrow.

Amusingly, this first came up in 1999, six years before I got published. (I see someone else already mentioned the situation where I had to consider it.)

General Reddit 2013 (Feb. 20, 2013)

We have other WoBs that make it clear this applies to beheaddng as well. Regarding the limits of healing, as long as you're in the process of healing before something kills you what happens to your body is pretty much irrelevant, which we see with Miles surviving things like a shotgun to the face or dynamite at zero paces.

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Enough that shardblades aren't even a threat, the only thing that he actually has to fear are Shards and Nightblood.

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He survived being decapitated once

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Per Brandon, Hoid is so unkillable that he'd be one of the last two people standing in an all-out melee between all his characters if you allowed him to participate, even though he couldn't actually fight back. As Brandon puts it, there are very very few things in the Cosmere that have a chance of actually killing him and Nightblood is one.

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I think the better question is.... WHY is Hoid's immortality?

Is it just a matter of, Lord-Ruler-style compounding?  Or is it more?  Would Miles Hundredlives have survived decapitation?  
(And ok, that's what has been bothering me for a long time... Miles can be blown up, sure, okay, he explodes himself.  But if you straight CUT HIS HEAD OFF, how would that heal?  Would the body grow a new head, or would the head grow a new body?  I mean, if you're being REALLY careful, and shipping the severed head to another town.)

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3 hours ago, Bejardin1250 said:

on the head question: probably the bigger piece would grow back everything else 

HIs head would grow a new body

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On 4/21/2021 at 1:10 AM, vonnegut said:

I think the better question is.... WHY is Hoid's immortality?

Is it just a matter of, Lord-Ruler-style compounding?  Or is it more?  Would Miles Hundredlives have survived decapitation?  
(And ok, that's what has been bothering me for a long time... Miles can be blown up, sure, okay, he explodes himself.  But if you straight CUT HIS HEAD OFF, how would that heal?  Would the body grow a new head, or would the head grow a new body?  I mean, if you're being REALLY careful, and shipping the severed head to another town.)

I think which piece regrows, in the case of miles, would also have to do with which part of him had the investiture. If he was tapping a metal mind, then probably the part that had the metal mind, and those would probably be on his arms instead of in his ears. Or in the case of him burning his metal minds for the preservation-boosted healing, then probably the part with the stomach because that is where the investiture is being released.

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