Quantus Posted April 12, 2021 Report Share Posted April 12, 2021 In the name. I was discussing a theory about Ishar and his experiments, which kept circling back to similarities with Hemalurgy and that made me wonder if Bind Points are at all present in the the broader ways a Bondsmith manipulates Connection (now that they are unsupervised), especially once an experienced one starts pursuing more complex effects and goals. Im not sure how much evidence we've seen for or against this so far, but especially in light of the revelation of fabrial metal effects, it could make sense for Bind Points to be a common theme in other magics that manipulate the Spiritweb directly. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aspiring Writer Posted April 12, 2021 Report Share Posted April 12, 2021 12 minutes ago, Quantus said: In the name. I was discussing a theory about Ishar and his experiments, which kept circling back to similarities with Hemalurgy and that made me wonder if Bind Points are at all present in the the broader ways a Bondsmith manipulates Connection (now that they are unsupervised), especially once an experienced one starts pursuing more complex effects and goals. Im not sure how much evidence we've seen for or against this so far, but especially in light of the revelation of fabrial metal effects, it could make sense for Bind Points to be a common theme in other magics that manipulate the Spiritweb directly. we don't see anytjing that would inicate this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantus Posted April 12, 2021 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2021 30 minutes ago, Aspiring Writer said: we don't see anytjing that would inicate this. Closest thing I can think of is is an apparent need for physical contact. But then we've also only seen a very few examples of the power at all and most were the base/amateur level applications, so those effects my be less discriminatingly on the contact point required than your Oathpact-level applications. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aspiring Writer Posted April 12, 2021 Report Share Posted April 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, Quantus said: Closest thing I can think of is is an apparent need for physical contact. But then we've also only seen a very few examples of the power at all and most were the base/amateur level applications, so those effects my be less discriminatingly on the contact point required than your Oathpact-level applications. Dalinar didn't need physical contact for kaladin. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAmTheStick Posted April 12, 2021 Report Share Posted April 12, 2021 That makes sense to me, and if it doesn't turn out that way, I might be sad :l 1 hour ago, Aspiring Writer said: Dalinar didn't need physical contact for kaladin. When? Are you talking about when he spoke to Kaladin through the storm? I feel like that's a little different than just Connection manipulation as the Stormfather is a somewhat unknown element... He needed physical contact to talk to those soldiers, and to make those maps with Shallan Ishar needed physical contact to forge a connection between the Windrunners and Roshar 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aspiring Writer Posted April 12, 2021 Report Share Posted April 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, IAmTheStick said: That makes sense to me, and if it doesn't turn out that way, I might be sad :l When? Are you talking about when he spoke to Kaladin through the storm? I feel like that's a little different than just Connection manipulation as the Stormfather is a somewhat unknown element... He needed physical contact to talk to those soldiers, and to make those maps with Shallan Ishar needed physical contact to forge a connection between the Windrunners and Roshar he forged a connection between Kaladin and Tien. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAmTheStick Posted April 12, 2021 Report Share Posted April 12, 2021 Just now, Aspiring Writer said: he forged a connection between Kaladin and Tien. Hmm I forgot about that! ...wish I had something more to add here, but all I can say is... interesting... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Bzhydack Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 13 hours ago, Aspiring Writer said: he forged a connection between Kaladin and Tien. But this was inside the Highstorm. Dalinar wasnt im contact with Kaladin, but his Spren was, and Radiant and Spren bonded with Nahel Bond are one entity from spiritual perspective. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frustration Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 2 hours ago, Bzhydack said: But this was inside the Highstorm. Dalinar wasnt im contact with Kaladin, but his Spren was, and Radiant and Spren bonded with Nahel Bond are one entity from spiritual perspective. Source? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Bzhydack Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 31 minutes ago, Frustration said: Source? Quote Arcanum Unbounded Hoboken signing (Dec. 3, 2016) #8 Share Copy Play/Pause yulerule (Paraphrased) I also asked about the connection between the spren and Surgebinder, such that the spren turns into what the Surgebinder wants. Like in Edgedancer, [Wyndle] turns into a bar of metal and into a Shardfork. Wyndle himself isn't "in tune" with Lift, so his turning into something that she needs with no prior warning... Brandon Sanderson Yeah, they actually mix. When the bonding is happening, what's happening is that the gaps in the souls are being filled with the spren's <essence>. And they are actually melding into one yulerule *inaudible* Brandon Sanderson And they are actually melding into one individual *inaudible*. yulerule <And the minds are separate?> Brandon Sanderson Yeah, mhm. You're welcome. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leuthie Posted April 14, 2021 Report Share Posted April 14, 2021 I don't see why Hemalurgic princples wouldn't be relevant or related to other type of Connection manipulation. Even if you can access the Spirit Web from a distance using surges, having direct Physical access should make the access even easier. Easier access would mean more precise manipulation and more complex abilities. There are definitely hints at mixing known magic systems, and Bondsmith powers and Hemalurgy would be particularly complimentary. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i’m in the details Posted April 14, 2021 Report Share Posted April 14, 2021 The only other magic system we’ve seen that deals with this sort of thing is forging (and maybe blood sealing) but I don’t think the soul stamps have to be placed in any specific spot. I think the reason hemalurgy requires bind point from a narrative perspective is to nerf it. From a realmatic perspective it’s likely due to how low investiture spikes are. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantus Posted April 14, 2021 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2021 1 hour ago, i’m in the details said: The only other magic system we’ve seen that deals with this sort of thing is forging (and maybe blood sealing) but I don’t think the soul stamps have to be placed in any specific spot. I think the reason hemalurgy requires bind point from a narrative perspective is to nerf it. From a realmatic perspective it’s likely due to how low investiture spikes are. True, though the Dor magics are all wildly different that many other things, mostly from being sourced in the "wrong" realm. Bloodsealing for example has no Spiritual component like other Healing; it's a brute force approach where you have to actually cognitively Know the routing of every nerve, tissue, and blood vessel. The closest correlating example I can think of is Shardblade damage where a Spiritual wound at a given body location has a direct effect on the same body parts, indicating a correlation between the structure and physical Location of the Spiritweb. A bit of a stretch I know, but I would have said the same about metal s and fabrials before RoW 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truthwatcher Artifabrian Posted April 14, 2021 Report Share Posted April 14, 2021 Quote Master_Moridin What is the relationship between blood and the Spiritual Realm? (Since Hemalurgy needs blood to graft the sDNA in a spike into someone else's sDNA) Brandon Sanderson The blood being in motion is part of it. Hemalurgy specifically requires flowing blood. Connection manipulation does not (most likely). So I doubt it will also require bind points. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathiau Posted April 15, 2021 Report Share Posted April 15, 2021 On 14/04/2021 at 2:08 AM, Leuthie said: I don't see why Hemalurgic princples wouldn't be relevant or related to other type of Connection manipulation. Even if you can access the Spirit Web from a distance using surges, having direct Physical access should make the access even easier. Easier access would mean more precise manipulation and more complex abilities. There are definitely hints at mixing known magic systems, and Bondsmith powers and Hemalurgy would be particularly complimentary. I don't see why the would be relevant 22 hours ago, i’m in the details said: I think the reason hemalurgy requires bind point from a narrative perspective is to nerf it. The actual reason is too allow spikes of the same metal to do drastically different effect 13 hours ago, Truthwatcher Artifabrian said: Hemalurgy specifically requires flowing blood. Connection manipulation does not (most likely). So I doubt it will also require bind points. It actually does't Quote Questioner Would it be possible to make Hemalurgic dental fillings? If there were a mad-scientist dentist? Brandon Sanderson I've thought about this. I think that would be possible, but for Hemalurgy to really work I need it to...it doesn't actually have to be touching the blood, despite what they think. But I think your average dental filling is not going deep enough... Questioner Root canal! Brandon Sanderson *Continues* But yeah, you could make it work. Legion Release Party (Sept. 19, 2018) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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