KSub Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 So we learned that after Ba-ado-mishrams imprisonment the radiants and their spren decided to break their oaths. This is what created the all the shardblades. So what about all the shardplate? In RoW we learned that shardplate is made of numerous lesser spren, the non-sapient ones like windspren, flamespren and gloryspren. They couldn't decide if they wanted to be sacrificed and no one, spren or human, seems to care about that. I wonder what happened to the spren though. Is there a dead eye equivalent? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightwing8888 Posted February 16, 2021 Report Share Posted February 16, 2021 12 minutes ago, KSub said: So we learned that after Ba-ado-mishrams imprisonment the radiants and their spren decided to break their oaths. This is what created the all the shardblades. So what about all the shardplate? In RoW we learned that shardplate is made of numerous lesser spren, the non-sapient ones like windspren, flamespren and gloryspren. They couldn't decide if they wanted to be sacrificed and no one, spren or human, seems to care about that. I wonder what happened to the spren though. Is there a dead eye equivalent? I think Syl at one point (maybe in her interlude, though I’m pretty sure it’s in a conversation with Kaladin) says that the Shardplate spren are more content than the Blade spren, so my interpretation is that they’re less intelligent and therefore less uncomfortable. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bejarden Posted February 16, 2021 Report Share Posted February 16, 2021 I mean the plates still around after they broke their oaths they probably coudnt dismiss it and if it wasn’t previously summoned nothing happened you would never find a deadeye plate spren b/c there are none 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathiau Posted February 16, 2021 Report Share Posted February 16, 2021 1 minute ago, Lightwing8888 said: I think Syl at one point (maybe in her interlude, though I’m pretty sure it’s in a conversation with Kaladin) says that the Shardplate spren are more content than the Blade spren, so my interpretation is that they’re less intelligent and therefore less uncomfortable. It was her interlude 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSub Posted February 16, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Bejardin1250 said: I mean the plates still around after they broke their oaths they probably coudnt dismiss it and if it wasn’t previously summoned nothing happened you would never find a deadeye plate spren b/c there are none What is your point? The true spren turned into deadeyes but their blades are still there. If the plate was made of spren what happened to them? And if the deadeyes can be revived what will happen to the plate? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bejarden Posted February 16, 2021 Report Share Posted February 16, 2021 22 minutes ago, KSub said: What is your point? The true spren turned into deadeyes but their blades are still there. If the plate was made of spren what happened to them? And if the deadeyes can be revived what will happen to the plate? They’re there ...Just plate. What they connected to is dead... gone. there doesn’t seem to be anything to revive this seems to tie in to a tangent of are lesser spren connected to the radiant or his spren. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vileviper Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 On 2/15/2021 at 8:42 PM, Bejardin1250 said: They’re there ...Just plate. What they connected to is dead... gone. there doesn’t seem to be anything to revive this seems to tie in to a tangent of are lesser spren connected to the radiant or his spren. Yea I believe it is if they were forged into to the armor. Melted down and formed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apepi Posted February 28, 2021 Report Share Posted February 28, 2021 Do we know if there are more shardblades than shardplate? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Bzhydack Posted February 28, 2021 Report Share Posted February 28, 2021 23 minutes ago, apepi said: Do we know if there are more shardblades than shardplate? We can assume, due to fact that not many Radiants Reach 4th Oath, and this is when they get Plate. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathiau Posted February 28, 2021 Report Share Posted February 28, 2021 25 minutes ago, apepi said: Do we know if there are more shardblades than shardplate? Just now, Bzhydack said: We can assume, due to fact that not many Radiants Reach 4th Oath, and this is when they get Plate. If there was a big imbalance between the number of Plates and Blades we'd probably know it 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frustration Posted February 28, 2021 Report Share Posted February 28, 2021 20 minutes ago, mathiau said: If there was a big imbalance between the number of Plates and Blades we'd probably know it All the countries that we know of having blades and plate either have the same number, or less plate, we have yet to see more plate then blades. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Ajah Posted February 28, 2021 Report Share Posted February 28, 2021 47 minutes ago, Frustration said: All the countries that we know of having blades and plate either have the same number, or less plate, we have yet to see more plate then blades. It's less likely for someone with only plate to die than someone with only blade, meaning plate is more likely to be passed down and not owned by any one kingdom. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frustration Posted February 28, 2021 Report Share Posted February 28, 2021 2 hours ago, The Unknown Order said: It's less likely for someone with only plate to die than someone with only blade, meaning plate is more likely to be passed down and not owned by any one kingdom. Considering that a person selling their plate can be considered treason, I have to doubt that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Ajah Posted February 28, 2021 Report Share Posted February 28, 2021 Just now, Frustration said: Considering that a person selling their plate can be considered treason, I have to doubt that. I don't understand. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frustration Posted February 28, 2021 Report Share Posted February 28, 2021 Just now, The Unknown Order said: I don't understand. When Moash mentioned how wealthy he was having shards in WoR Sigil tells him it could be seen as treason to sell them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bejarden Posted February 28, 2021 Report Share Posted February 28, 2021 2 hours ago, The Unknown Order said: It's less likely for someone with only plate to die than someone with only blade, meaning plate is more likely to be passed down and not owned by any one kingdom. Nothing is ever owned by a kingdom it is always passed down from person to child 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathiau Posted March 1, 2021 Report Share Posted March 1, 2021 25 minutes ago, Bejardin1250 said: Nothing is ever owned by a kingdom it is always passed down from person to child I think he mean stolen 3 hours ago, Frustration said: All the countries that we know of having blades and plate either have the same number, or less plate, we have yet to see more plate then blades. I still think it should be more imbalanced, like, imbalanced enough that people point out plates are rarer. But we know the number of blades decreased over the millennia maybe the number of plate didn't or was slower to decrease. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bejarden Posted March 1, 2021 Report Share Posted March 1, 2021 It may be that a bunch of 4th oath KR (about a 100) broke their oath somewhere and that’s where all the shardblades came from That would solve the equal blade problem 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apepi Posted March 2, 2021 Report Share Posted March 2, 2021 Have we heard anything about heralds having shardplate or anything like that? I know shardblades were kind of copied off of honorblades..was shardplate copied off of anything? Do we think it was just an invention that spren thought of? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathiau Posted March 2, 2021 Report Share Posted March 2, 2021 9 hours ago, apepi said: Have we heard anything about heralds having shardplate or anything like that? I know shardblades were kind of copied off of honorblades..was shardplate copied off of anything? Do we think it was just an invention that spren thought of? We haven't heard about Herald with plates so they probably didn't have them 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nellac Posted March 4, 2021 Report Share Posted March 4, 2021 On 2/15/2021 at 7:16 PM, KSub said: What is your point? The true spren turned into deadeyes but their blades are still there. If the plate was made of spren what happened to them? And if the deadeyes can be revived what will happen to the plate? Deadeyes are only seen in shadesmar when they, as a blade, are dismissed. Whenever they are summoned, they disappear out of shadesmar. Since current shardplate can't be dismissed the spren, or what's left of them, are trapped in the physical realm. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Ajah Posted March 4, 2021 Report Share Posted March 4, 2021 3 hours ago, Nellac said: Deadeyes are only seen in shadesmar when they, as a blade, are dismissed. Whenever they are summoned, they disappear out of shadesmar. Since current shardplate can't be dismissed the spren, or what's left of them, are trapped in the physical realm. Actually, this makes me wonder. What if a plate was completely broken, so the was literally nothing left. Would the spren appear in the cognitive realm? Or would the plate just be lost forever? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShardsSuperior Posted March 7, 2021 Report Share Posted March 7, 2021 (edited) It's possible that the Shin have the cache of hundreds of Shardblades, captured when they invaded, enough to make up the difference. Edited March 7, 2021 by ShardsSuperior 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daggon Forescout Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 On 3/4/2021 at 11:32 AM, The Unknown Order said: Actually, this makes me wonder. What if a plate was completely broken, so the was literally nothing left. Would the spren appear in the cognitive realm? Or would the plate just be lost forever? I assume that the windspren (as an example) would be released and return to being normal windspren. On 2/28/2021 at 4:32 PM, mathiau said: I still think it should be more imbalanced, like, imbalanced enough that people point out plates are rarer. But we know the number of blades decreased over the millennia maybe the number of plate didn't or was slower to decrease. It makes sense to me that a full set of shardplate would be pretty hard to lose, especially considering you can grow the set back from a single piece. Goin on a super dangerous quest? Leave a small piece behind so that even if you die, the plate isn't lost. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Ajah Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Daggon Forescout said: Goin on a super dangerous quest? Leave a small piece behind so that even if you die, the plate isn't lost. Then you wouldn't have that piece and it would be a pretty big weak spot, pretty sure you can't grow it back from a splinter. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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