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Background

So, I have just finished a reread of Elantris and something caught my eye. When the city was in its full glory enchanted items based on Aons made by Elantrians were used for a plethora of things that made the city more comfortable, light, plumbing, etc. As I thought on this a theory came to my mind, now I could be completely off base so please bear with me. One aspect of these items that caught my attention were aons put in people's homes such as the one for light (Ashe). Given that many non elantrians also lived in the city I assume they were also capable of using the ashe aon to alter the lighting in their rooms. Otherwise they would have to call an elantrian in to do it for them, which sound very inconvenient. So I began to wonder if they could utilize these enchanted items could this be expanded upon further? I should specify I don't mean that those non elantrians made the aon, but rather were able to utilize what was already present as made by the Elantrians.

The Theory

Essentially I began to wonder what would happen if Sel advanced far enough to enter the computer age? Could computers that were crafted specifically by Elantrians then be used to form Aons? Potentially even Aons useable by anyone as the initial creation would have been done by an Elantrian. If this proves impossible, as the idea of normal people using the enchanted items is speculation on my part. There is still a possibility of Elantrians being able to rapidly expedite their casting via a form of automation.

Weak Points to The Theory

I am aware that while Elantrians could use tools such as quills, sticks, etc to make aons and they still functioned. Ultimately they needed to use their intent as part of the process. I also concede that I may be completely off base in assuming that the Aons will function without being directly made by an Elantrian. Either way I thought the idea was interesting and I hope you do as well.

Afterword

Thank you for bearing with me there. I would love any and all thoughts on the theory, and look forward to the discussion. 

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I do not think that non-elantrian habitants could use the light Aons or anything else. If there were actually normal people in the city of Elantris they would either live with an Elantrian or the Light would be st up in a way that it has an timer or something similar.
But that´s just what I think.

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There's this:

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DrogaKrolow

OK, I’ve got a question about AonDor.

Brandon Sanderson

Ok.

DrogaKrolow

So it's a lot like functional programing.

Brandon Sanderson

Yes.

DrogaKrolow

And my question is: could you write a higher-level language of programming with that?

Brandon Sanderson

Yes.

DrogaKrolow

Oh...

Brandon Sanderson

Mmhmm. But. Only an Elantrian could make it, like, work, right? Not compile but could execute the function. They would have to type it out and execute it. Like if you were just-- Even if you just gave it to them, they would have to retype it and go. But yes, you could.

DrogaKrolow

Couldn't you like-- Is there an Aon for define, definition? So like you could go and define some really long sequence of Aons and then assign it to a simple shape.

Brandon Sanderson

Right.

DrogaKrolow

Then draw the symbol, and would it work?

Brandon Sanderson

Right right, object-oriented. This is realistically plausible, you would have to write all this stuff and call the function and have this constantly in a state of kinetic Investiture. But that is reasonable. I mean it's not so far off from things they actually did with much fewer-- much fewer lines of code, if you wish, in the past. It's what Elantris itself was.

DrogaKrolow.pl interview (March 17, 2017)

And yes, I think other people could use Elantrian made devices. The light Aon as well as the maker of the object providing the necessary Intent to make a magitech function provide good support to that supposition.

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I read "Advancing Seons" and thought this was going to be a whole other conversation. 

Yes, I am very excited by the concept of AonDor (and in their own ways all the Selish Magics) advancing to their full "Programming Languages of the Universe" potential.  Each of the four(?) main Shardworlds seem to have a lot of specific and diverse potential for more modern/scientific approaches.  There are lots of WOB's saying this was intentional, and will culminate in the full Distant Future Space-Age crossover series at the end of things.   

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I just want minecraft or google using AonDor...

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4 hours ago, Honorless said:

There's this:

And yes, I think other people could use Elantrian made devices. The light Aon as well as the maker of the object providing the necessary Intent to make a magitech function provide good support to that supposition.

Man, I really need to read the WOBs at some point. Intriguing and good to know, I mostly write these theories blind.

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It's been so long since I read Elantris.

So Brandon is saying the city represents a large series of 'code'? I guess that's what creates the Elantrians.

I hope we get another book set on Sel before era4. It would be nice to have a clearer picture of what's going on there.

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It'll be interesting to see how Sel interacts with other space age powers given the geographic limitations of their magic system. I could imagine Elantrian engineers making really cool magitech devices that are completely impossible to export.

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On 2/5/2021 at 5:32 AM, TheWanderer said:

I am aware that while Elantrians could use tools such as quills, sticks, etc to make aons and they still functioned. Ultimately they needed to use their intent as part of the process.

Aon Dor stamps, precarved sticks with large aons extending from the ends and the process of pushing the stick would function the same as stabbing a finger. More advanced methods could use giant precarved stamps pushed by several Elantrians focusing a singular intent.

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Fascinating, thanks for letting me know.

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On 5.2.2021 at 11:32 AM, TheWanderer said:

Background

So, I have just finished a reread of Elantris and something caught my eye. When the city was in its full glory enchanted items based on Aons made by Elantrians were used for a plethora of things that made the city more comfortable, light, plumbing, etc. As I thought on this a theory came to my mind, now I could be completely off base so please bear with me. One aspect of these items that caught my attention were aons put in people's homes such as the one for light (Ashe). Given that many non elantrians also lived in the city I assume they were also capable of using the ashe aon to alter the lighting in their rooms. Otherwise they would have to call an elantrian in to do it for them, which sound very inconvenient. So I began to wonder if they could utilize these enchanted items could this be expanded upon further? I should specify I don't mean that those non elantrians made the aon, but rather were able to utilize what was already present as made by the Elantrians.

That does really depend on the extent to which Aons can do input in computer terms. You need an Elantrian to switch them on, but you can get around that by writing a complicated sequence that does nothing until an external stimulus like a switch being thrown arises. The usability depends on the stimuli there are Aons for.

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