Posted January 26, 2021 At the end of RoW, Taravangian ascends to Odium and inherits quite a few memories and information from Rayse. Well, I don't know if it's Brandon's favoritism towards TOdium, but I don't understand why Taravangian inherits so much information, but Kelsier, Vin and Sazed don't inherit any information from each other's pre-Preservation vessel (Kelsier from Leras, Vin from Kelsier and Sazed from Vin). And the same case of Sazed with Ati. Maybe Kelsier doesn't inherit any information from Leras because the latter was slowly dying, but Vin should have inherited Kelsier's short-time memories as Preservation as well as Taravangian from Odium, and Sazed should have inherited Vin's memories and Ati when ascending, but it was not like that and it gives me a feeling of unevenness between the shards, despite the fact that Odium is somewhat hurt by his battles in the Cosmere, but Preservation and Ruin are intact despite the deaths of their original vessels. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 26, 2021 9 hours ago, Rashekin said: At the end of RoW, Taravangian ascends to Odium and inherits quite a few memories and information from Rayse. Well, I don't know if it's Brandon's favoritism towards TOdium, but I don't understand why Taravangian inherits so much information, but Kelsier, Vin and Sazed don't inherit any information from each other's pre-Preservation vessel (Kelsier from Leras, Vin from Kelsier and Sazed from Vin). And the same case of Sazed with Ati. Maybe Kelsier doesn't inherit any information from Leras because the latter was slowly dying, but Vin should have inherited Kelsier's short-time memories as Preservation as well as Taravangian from Odium, and Sazed should have inherited Vin's memories and Ati when ascending, but it was not like that and it gives me a feeling of unevenness between the shards, despite the fact that Odium is somewhat hurt by his battles in the Cosmere, but Preservation and Ruin are intact despite the deaths of their original vessels. It’s possible Vin did get some of Kelsier’s memories (she seems to know what he’s been up to in SH) she just wasn’t focused on them. She was focused on other things so we don’t realize she got them. They weren’t all that important for what she needed to do. (And Brandon didn’t want to reveal Kell was explicitly alive there because it would have been distracting.) Ati didn’t seem to know what planet he was on at the end. It’s possible that the way Ruin overwrote his mind effected his ability to give over his memories. Still, Saze did get something - Adonalsium. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 26, 2021 Sazed inherited knowledge of 1) Adonalsium, 2) the existence and names of the other Shards, and 3) the ability to communicate with them, among other things. Seems reasonable to assume he also "remembers" things they did while they were Vessels, but my impression is that he WOULDN'T necessarily know details about Leras and Ati's lives before they Ascended. Likewise, Taravangian gets access to anything Rayse DID with the power of Odium, especially anything that would affect or restrict his use of the Shard's power. But I'm betting he doesn't get any of Rayse's thoughts or memories that are unrelated to the use of the power. No evidence, just my guesses. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 26, 2021 After recently rereading era 1 and Secret History. I think what Taravangian got wasn't Rayse's memories so much as the history of what the Shard itself has done and how it's power was used. Taravangian is pretty smart so I think he was able to with the expanded knowledge from Ascending figure out what Odium's plans were. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 26, 2021 11 hours ago, Rashekin said: At the end of RoW, Taravangian ascends to Odium and inherits quite a few memories and information from Rayse. Well, I don't know if it's Brandon's favoritism towards TOdium, but I don't understand why Taravangian inherits so much information, but Kelsier, Vin and Sazed don't inherit any information from each other's pre-Preservation vessel (Kelsier from Leras, Vin from Kelsier and Sazed from Vin). And the same case of Sazed with Ati. Maybe Kelsier doesn't inherit any information from Leras because the latter was slowly dying, but Vin should have inherited Kelsier's short-time memories as Preservation as well as Taravangian from Odium, and Sazed should have inherited Vin's memories and Ati when ascending, but it was not like that and it gives me a feeling of unevenness between the shards, despite the fact that Odium is somewhat hurt by his battles in the Cosmere, but Preservation and Ruin are intact despite the deaths of their original vessels. It's possible that the Vessels of Preservation did but they were just focused elsewhere at the time. It was quite an emergency. There's also the thing that Leras was kind of already dead... what was there, was a Cognitive Shadow, because Leras sacrificed his Cognitive aspect to imprison Ruin, which is what the Well of Ascension was. Kelsier was also a Cognitive Shadow when he Ascended. Honor's Cognitive Shadow apparently merged with the Stormfather to give him sapience. So I don't think anyone will inherit Tanavast's memories either if they put Honor back together and Ascend. All this is assuming we're right and it's the previous Vessel's memories that are inherited rather than the memories of the Shard itself, like Taravangian only talked about Odium's deals with various entities. Also Harmony said he had to delve to find the name Adonalsium, so he probably didn't inherit all the memories of Leras. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 26, 2021 The Shards themselves have a level of knowledge and memories. Sazed, Kelsier, and Vin make reference to that. Even Taravangian doesn't really say that he has Rayse's memories, only that he could see what his plans were. This lines up with Preservation's Vessels being able to understand Ruin's and eventually Preservation's plans do to the extra understanding that being a Shard gives 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 26, 2021 I think it might also be a case of how the person holds a shard. Also perhaps because Kelsier wasn't all that tied to Preservation's power, he might not have imprinted very well 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 30, 2021 On 1/26/2021 at 9:04 AM, StanLemon said: After recently rereading era 1 and Secret History. I think what Taravangian got wasn't Rayse's memories so much as the history of what the Shard itself has done and how it's power was used. Taravangian is pretty smart so I think he was able to with the expanded knowledge from Ascending figure out what Odium's plans were. Vin learned what Rashek did with the Well’s power when she entered it. She didn’t learn what Rashek was thinking, but she did learn how he moved the planet and created the ash-eating microbes. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 30, 2021 5 minutes ago, basement_boi said: Vin learned what Rashek did with the Well’s power when she entered it. She didn’t learn what Rashek was thinking, but she did learn how he moved the planet and created the ash-eating microbes. My point exactly 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
