Negative_Null Posted January 9, 2021 Report Share Posted January 9, 2021 So... What's with the Cryptic names? Pattern reveals that all Cryptics would have the name Pattern in Alethi, or something like that. Let me find the actual quote. Quote "Mmm?" Pattern said. "Pattern? She usually rides on the inside of Beryl's shirt, near her skin. Pattern doesn't like to be seen." "I'd prefer if you used the Cryptic's other name. It's confusing, otherwise." After being pressured, each of the other Cryptics had picked individual names for the humans to use. "I don't understand why," he said. "Our names are already all different. I am Pattern. She is Pattern. Gaz has Pattern." "Those... are the same words, Pattern." "But they're not. Mmm. I could write the numbers for you." "Humans can't speak equations as intonations." Interesting for a number of reasons, one of which I think is foreshadowing for the Rhythms later, but I digress The names we know about are Ornament (Beryl's Cryptic), Mosaic (Vathah's Cryptic), and Motif (Ishnah's Cryptic) on page 361 in chapter 26. Then of course, there's Testament at the end of the book. So first off, this means that Shallan just happened to pick the most generic name possible for Pattern in Words of Radiance. Second off, I feel as if Testament is the odd one out here. The rest are related to visual art of some kind, but Testament's name doesn't seem to fit. Granted, it was picked by Shallan and Adolin, not Testament herself. But does it have some kind of connection I'm not seeing? And why would they all be the same? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aspiring Writer Posted January 9, 2021 Report Share Posted January 9, 2021 51 minutes ago, Negative_Null said: So... What's with the Cryptic names? Pattern reveals that all Cryptics would have the name Pattern in Alethi, or something like that. Let me find the actual quote. Interesting for a number of reasons, one of which I think is foreshadowing for the Rhythms later, but I digress The names we know about are Ornament (Beryl's Cryptic), Mosaic (Vathah's Cryptic), and Motif (Ishnah's Cryptic) on page 361 in chapter 26. Then of course, there's Testament at the end of the book. So first off, this means that Shallan just happened to pick the most generic name possible for Pattern in Words of Radiance. Second off, I feel as if Testament is the odd one out here. The rest are related to visual art of some kind, but Testament's name doesn't seem to fit. Granted, it was picked by Shallan and Adolin, not Testament herself. But does it have some kind of connection I'm not seeing? And why would they all be the same? Well, to the Cryptics, even the slightest change in tone is a different name, and I think they all just decided to copy pattern. he is the 'human expert'. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theoryspren Posted January 9, 2021 Report Share Posted January 9, 2021 (edited) Enigma Calculation Formula Art Sculpture Puzzle Edited January 9, 2021 by Theoryspren 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yulyulk Posted January 9, 2021 Report Share Posted January 9, 2021 Was "Testament" not named Testament back in Shallan's youth? I completely missed that if so. And maybe, in the Cryptic language, everyone's name is a numerical pattern of sorts, thus everyone is a pattern but the numbers are different. The Cryptics adopt different nicknames for ease of humans, Shallan gets the actual 'Pattern' because she's the 1st lightweaver of the post-recreance radiant generation (citation needed?) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AquaRegia Posted January 9, 2021 Report Share Posted January 9, 2021 14 hours ago, yulyulk said: Was "Testament" not named Testament back in Shallan's youth? I completely missed that if so. Quote In talking with Pattern, they'd decided upon an Alethi name for Shallan's previous Cryptic. One that fit, best they could tell, with the meaning of her individual pattern. "Testament does seem better, Adolin," Shallan said. "Thank you for speaking with her." My impression is that Shallan never had a name for her first spren. She was so young as to be unsure what was happening... unaware that the entity which became a shardblade was a being separate from herself. I think Brandon has done a MASTERFUL job with Shallan, showing in a very organic way how our memories are fluid, imperfect... ESPECIALLY memories from childhood. We knew she didn't remember things, was repressing things. Then comes a realization, bringing a clearer picture... but eventually THAT gets shattered by another breakthrough, and the picture changes again. And all the while, everything is wrapped in feelings of guilt, shame, and self-hatred. From what I've seen, this is very much how the recovery and integration of traumatic childhood memories often happens. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormgate Posted January 10, 2021 Report Share Posted January 10, 2021 I've fantasized about being a Knight Radiant (as you do), and realized that Cryptics have names that are so confusing for us that they are willing to go along with whatever other people come up with. For my imaginary Cryptic, I decided on the name of Fractal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halyo_Alex Posted January 10, 2021 Report Share Posted January 10, 2021 33 minutes ago, Stormgate said: I've fantasized about being a Knight Radiant (as you do), and realized that Cryptics have names that are so confusing for us that they are willing to go along with whatever other people come up with. For my imaginary Cryptic, I decided on the name of Fractal. Really?! So have I! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yulyulk Posted January 10, 2021 Report Share Posted January 10, 2021 5 hours ago, AquaRegia said: My impression is that Shallan never had a name for her first spren. She was so young as to be unsure what was happening... unaware that the entity which became a shardblade was a being separate from herself. I think Brandon has done a MASTERFUL job with Shallan, showing in a very organic way how our memories are fluid, imperfect... ESPECIALLY memories from childhood. We knew she didn't remember things, was repressing things. Then comes a realization, bringing a clearer picture... but eventually THAT gets shattered by another breakthrough, and the picture changes again. And all the while, everything is wrapped in feelings of guilt, shame, and self-hatred. From what I've seen, this is very much how the recovery and integration of traumatic childhood memories often happens. Thanks for pointing out the quote, I read RoW and then immediately began rereading the first three books, and kind of forgot a lot of the RoW details x_x it's interesting to me that Adolin seems to communicate better with Testament than Shallan herself, here, despite Shallan having the bond. Adolin the deadeye whisperer? I also enjoy Shallan's trauma/memory stuff, I know it annoys some people but that kind of psychological examination is something I enjoy. Reading books, for me, is a way to engage with fictional people's vulnerabilities in a way that's not necessarily possible in real life. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsdaughter613 Posted January 10, 2021 Report Share Posted January 10, 2021 I figured Shallan actually named Pattern after Testament, whom she originally called Pattern. She thought they were the same Spren, after all. So Testament would have been the original Pattern. I’ve always felt Fractal would be a good name for a cryptic. Also Function. Testament can mean a covenant or a sign. I think the name represents Shallan’s promise to restore her Spren. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honorless Posted January 10, 2021 Report Share Posted January 10, 2021 On 1/9/2021 at 7:29 AM, Negative_Null said: The names we know about are Ornament (Beryl's Cryptic), Mosaic (Vathah's Cryptic), and Motif (Ishnah's Cryptic) on page 361 in chapter 26. Then of course, there's Testament at the end of the book. Don't forget Design, Wit's Cryptic! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halyo_Alex Posted January 10, 2021 Report Share Posted January 10, 2021 4 hours ago, Kingsdaughter613 said: I’ve always felt Fractal would be a good name for a cryptic. Well that's what my Cryptic is called 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyndlerunner Posted January 10, 2021 Report Share Posted January 10, 2021 4 hours ago, Honorless said: Don't forget Design, Wit's Cryptic! Honestly, Design is making me reconsider Pattern as being my favorite spren. Design is a storming riot all the time 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ixthos Posted January 10, 2021 Report Share Posted January 10, 2021 Fractal. That is the single best name for one of them. And from there - indeed, they are all fractals - based on their shape we can get Koch, Sierpinski, Hilbert, Mandelbrot, Julia, Cantor, and my personal favourite, Dragon Curve. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aspiring Writer Posted January 10, 2021 Report Share Posted January 10, 2021 50 minutes ago, Wyndlerunner said: Honestly, Design is making me reconsider Pattern as being my favorite spren. Design is a storming riot all the time Agreed. She is very blunt when compared to pattern. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AonEne Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 On 1/10/2021 at 1:40 PM, Ixthos said: Julia, Cantor, and my personal favourite, Dragon Curve. I like all three of these last ones, but just CONSIDER a Cryptic named Dragon Curve, that's fantastic. Made all the better by the fact that most Rosharans don't know what dragons are. Come to think of it, theirs might be called something else...I'd have to look into where that name came from, but perhaps Greatshell Curve? (I keep typoing this as Dragon Curse...) Sometimes I forget not everyone makes and reads about RP characters and other OCs all the time! I've seen most people go after mathematical names for their Cryptics, way fewer artsy. I can only remember writing two myself, one called Infinity, Fin for short, and the other Interval, Val for short. (I like nicknames way too much.) If I was naming one of my own, it'd depend on personality and alignment of gender, but personally Cantor, Rhombicuboctahedron (Rhombi), Isometry, Kite, Matrix, Acrylic, and Matte are high up there as options. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frustration Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 If I had a Cryptic to name it would be 01010000 01100001 01110100 01110100 01100101 01110010 01101110 01 for short 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halyo_Alex Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Frustration said: If I had a Cryptic to name it would be 01010000 01100001 01110100 01110100 01100101 01110010 01101110 01 for short Time to get rickrolled by translating this. EDIT: Oh nevermind it's actually kind of funny. Edited January 25, 2021 by Halyo_Alex 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AonEne Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 11 minutes ago, Halyo_Alex said: Time to get rickrolled by translating this. EDIT: Oh nevermind it's actually kind of funny. It's just Pattern, in case anyone doesn't want to translate it themselves. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halyo_Alex Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 6 minutes ago, AonEne said: It's just Pattern, in case anyone doesn't want to translate it themselves. Aw, spoilers! But yeah, it is... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamwa1ker Posted January 28, 2021 Report Share Posted January 28, 2021 Thinking of more Pattern names, my brain went to Sequence.... Mistborn Era 2 Spoiler The Set was started by rogue Cryptics confirmed! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elerosse Posted January 28, 2021 Report Share Posted January 28, 2021 How about Pi? Or even Frequency, though that could be a good Reacher name. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halyo_Alex Posted January 29, 2021 Report Share Posted January 29, 2021 4 hours ago, Dreamwa1ker said: Thinking of more Pattern names, my brain went to Sequence.... Mistborn Era 2 Hide contents The Set was started by rogue Cryptics confirmed! Well depending on the outcome of SA 5, you might be more correct than you think MB E2 Spoilers Spoiler The Faceless Immortals on Scadrial with red glowing eyes sure do sound like Fused... But Lightweavers also have "red" eye glow, from the color of garnet being associated with them. I doubt an untrained eye would be able to tell the difference between "Lightweaver red eyes" and "corrupted investiture eyes". The reason this isn't the case for normal Lightweavers on Roshar is because they have Voidbringers and Dustbringers to compare to, and their eyes are different enough. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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