Ba-Ado-Fisherman Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 So in the RoW epilogue, Hoid finally has a confrontation with Odium. Funnily enough, the only reason Odium was able to speak with he is because Hoid chose to reveal himself. Are there any theories into why exactly Hoid is able to hide from Shards so well? Harmony even brings this up twice in letters to Hoid. Also, Endowment seems to have noticed immediatly when Hoid was on Nalthis... Why would she be able to sense his presence while other Shards can't? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsdaughter613 Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 10 minutes ago, Ba-Ado-Fisherman said: So in the RoW epilogue, Hoid finally has a confrontation with Odium. Funnily enough, the only reason Odium was able to speak with he is because Hoid chose to reveal himself. Are there any theories into why exactly Hoid is able to hide from Shards so well? Harmony even brings this up twice in letters to Hoid. Also, Endowment seems to have noticed immediatly when Hoid was on Nalthis... Why would she be able to sense his presence while other Shards can't? Maybe because he has Breath? It’s her Investiture. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunu’anaki Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 (edited) So... we know he has a Yolen form of lightweaving... perhaps there is a connection there between his Yolen-based magic and hiding even from shards. Or... on a completely different train of thought. He was involved in the shattering, maybe they figured out a way of hiding their presence from Adonalsium in order to enact their plan, and that method still works for Hoid to this day? Edited January 8, 2021 by Lunu’anaki 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonewalker16 Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 Mistborn Spoilers, but Spoiler Bleeder was able to hide from Harmony using hemalurgy so maybe he does something similar I think @Kingsdaughter613 has a good idea on this. Vasher was able to suppress his divine breath from others' senses, and we know the two have interacted. Maybe Vasher taught him, or vice versa. Maybe you can use Breath to hide from senses somehow 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsdaughter613 Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 1 minute ago, stonewalker16 said: Mistborn Spoilers, but Hide contents Bleeder was able to hide from Harmony using hemalurgy so maybe he does something similar I think @Kingsdaughter613 has a good idea on this. Vasher was able to suppress his divine breath from others' senses, and we know the two have interacted. Maybe Vasher taught him, or vice versa. Maybe you can use Breath to hide from senses somehow I meant that Hoid’s Breath is why Endowment can find him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonewalker16 Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 46 minutes ago, Kingsdaughter613 said: I meant that Hoid’s Breath is why Endowment can find him. I know, I was saying that people can use Breath to hide from all except Endowment, since that is his investiture. Sorry for the confusion. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsdaughter613 Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 1 minute ago, stonewalker16 said: I know, I was saying that people can use Breath to hide from all except Endowment, since that is his investiture. Sorry for the confusion. Ah. That explains it. Thanks. And Edgli is female. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecondPlace Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 I think it is possible that endowment was bluffing, I'm also pretty sure that there is a WOB that Hoid does not use hemalurgy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leuthie Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 Shards aren't Omniscient. If they aren't looking for Hoid, it's probably easy for him to escape notice, considering he's just another heavily Invested Human. He can use aluminum or Allomancy or Breaths to hide his Investiture. I don't think having Breaths makes someone stick out to Endowment. Nearly everyone on Nalthis has Breaths. Many have hundreds. Someone with 200 Breaths going through Endowments Perpendicularity might be an uncommon thing, but not rare. Someone hiding their Investiture levels while going through the perpendicularity might be even less uncommon. Hoid's Fortune ability probably allows him to know when good times to go through perpendicularities (when the Shard isn't looking) occur. He has lots of tools. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightdancer Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 17 hours ago, Kingsdaughter613 said: Maybe because he has Breath? It’s her Investiture. Mistborn Secret History spoilers: Spoiler Hoid is a Mistborn because he ate a bead of lerasium (Preservation's Investiture). Since Preservation is part of Harmony, it seems like Harmony ought to be able to see Hoid according to this theory. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsdaughter613 Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 15 minutes ago, Lightdancer said: Mistborn Secret History spoilers: Hide contents Hoid is a Mistborn because he ate a bead of lerasium (Preservation's Investiture). Since Preservation is part of Harmony, it seems like Harmony ought to be able to see Hoid according to this theory. I would think only when the Lerasium is actually being burned. Breath is ongoing Investiture; the regular Connection seems to be able to be hidden. Once Hoid consumed the Lerasium he wasn’t utilizing Preservation’s Investiture directly. Breath and Mist are the same type of thing. I’d assume Saze would notice if Hoid started drawing on the Mists. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truthwatcher Artifabrian Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Kingsdaughter613 said: I would think only when the Lerasium is actually being burned. Breath is ongoing Investiture; the regular Connection seems to be able to be hidden. Once Hoid consumed the Lerasium he wasn’t utilizing Preservation’s Investiture directly. Or when any other metal is being used, since the power is coming from Harmony. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsdaughter613 Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 20 minutes ago, Truthwatcher Artifabrian said: Or when any other metal is being used, since the power is coming from Harmony. I’d think only if Saze is paying attention and maybe not even then. It depends on how it works when there’s an intervening step. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leuthie Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Kingsdaughter613 said: I’d think only if Saze is paying attention and maybe not even then. It depends on how it works when there’s an intervening step. And even if Harmony were attuned to listen to any use of Allomancy, Hoid has plenty of other tools and can simply avoid using Allomancy when he's hiding on Scadrial. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonewalker16 Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 15 hours ago, Leuthie said: And even if Harmony were attuned to listen to any use of Allomancy, Hoid has plenty of other tools and can simply avoid using Allomancy when he's hiding on Scadrial. Plus, he could be using the same investiture that Bleeder had access to with her spikes in order to let him hide, even if he uses Allomancy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecondPlace Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 I assumed that Bleeder was using hemalurgy combined with the power of a different shard (tell), I doubt that Hoid would use hemalurgy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathiau Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 On 07/01/2021 at 7:33 PM, Truthless16 said: I think it is possible that endowment was bluffing, I'm also pretty sure that there is a WOB that Hoid does not use hemalurgy. There is indeed Quote Ruro272 (paraphrased) Does Hoid have a Hemalurgically charged Nicrosil spike? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) It's... unlikely. Hoid would not want to open himself to the influence of Shards so using Hemalurgy on himself is unlikely. Although Hemalurgy is the easiest way to get other powers, he'd more likely do things the hard way. Minicon 2015 (April 2, 2015) 5 hours ago, stonewalker16 said: Plus, he could be using the same investiture that Bleeder had access to with her spikes in order to let him hide, even if he uses Allomancy Bleeder was not using investiture Quote Argent Was Harmony unable to find [Bleeder] because the spike was made of this metal? Brandon Sanderson Yeah. The spike was what prevented him from being able to find her. Argent It wasn't an ability granted by the spike. Brandon Sanderson No. Argent It was just the material. Brandon Sanderson Yeah. Shadows of Self Chicago signing (Oct. 12, 2015) There is a possibility that burning Trellium would hide from shard though. But I'm pretty sure I saw somewhere that lerasium spikes would connect less to Ruin than normal spikes so it could just be something similar (couldn't find wobs though) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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