Ascended Posted December 28, 2020 Report Share Posted December 28, 2020 Was just doing a reread of RoW via Audible chapter 37 and got where the Fused are accosting the tower. Raboniel looks over at Venli after her kill and says something to the effect of "for Ados sake carry a knife." Any one else catch this? Could the fused have known or heard about Adonalsium? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halyo_Alex Posted December 28, 2020 Report Share Posted December 28, 2020 38 minutes ago, Ascended said: Was just doing a reread of RoW via Audible chapter 37 and got where the Fused are accosting the tower. Raboniel looks over at Venli after her kill and says something to the effect of "for Ados sake carry a knife." Any one else catch this? Could the fused have known or heard about Adonalsium? I think she meant Ba-ADO-Mishram. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yulyulk Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 On 12/28/2020 at 3:28 PM, Halyo_Alex said: I think she meant Ba-ADO-Mishram. Interesting, as Kelek calls BAM just "Mishram". If Raboniel is indeed talking about BAM, could the emphasis on different parts of the name indicate something? (Perhaps "Mishram" is the original name, as many people have speculated.) But then this WoB...: Quote LewsTherinTelescope Does "Ba-Ado-Mishram" mean "child of the light of Cultivation and Honor"? Brandon Sanderson RAFO, but you're doing a pretty good job picking apart the linguistics of that. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaladin Is a Hero Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 But I thought that the child of cultivation and Honor was the sibling, right? Unless the sibling was created after Mishram was unmade and became Ba-Ado-Mishram. There is, now that I think of it, some sort of interesting connection between the sibling and Ba-Ado-Mishram. Why did the Tower shut down when Mishram was imprisoned. It can't just be coincidence, right? Unless I am wrong and the sibling "fell asleep," when Honor died. I don't remember the explanation the book offered for this. Anyway, I am interested in learning if BAM and the Sibling are connected. Book 5 is going to be a 1,000 paged Sanderson Avalanche and I am so ready for it! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banazir864 Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 What if Honor and Cultivation had ten children, but nine were "unmade" by Odium (becoming the nine Unmade) and only the Sibling survived? This would be consistent with what Sja-Anat says about unmaking (which implies that the Unmade were something else before Odium unmade them), with what Raboniel almost does to the Sibling, and with the general "Honor and Cultivation have ten but Odium only has nine" theme we're seeing. 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paperstones Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 12 hours ago, yulyulk said: LewsTherinTelescope Does "Ba-Ado-Mishram" mean "child of the light of Cultivation and Honor"? Brandon Sanderson RAFO, but you're doing a pretty good job picking apart the linguistics of that. Due to this WoB I’m leaning toward BAM is a Soren of ALL three Shards would are invested on Roshar. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teknopathetic Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 I now wonder if Bao-Ado-Mishram is actually a real child of Cultivation and Honour in a real people sense. This goes bad, so cultivation makes her own child that is kept away from human influence (the Nightwatcher). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunu’anaki Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 On 12/28/2020 at 2:49 PM, Ascended said: Could the fused have known or heard about Adonalsium? It's reasonable to assume that they have, considering that the Heralds are of similar age to the oldest fused, and I believe we have a Herald mentioning Adonalsium by name? 4 hours ago, paperstones said: Due to this WoB I’m leaning toward BAM is a Soren of ALL three Shards would are invested on Roshar. I'm leaning most heavily toward this idea too. It makes the most sense considering everything BAM has been mentioned alongside -- the pure tones, those who are truly of Roshar, etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinity Sliver Posted January 11, 2021 Report Share Posted January 11, 2021 Wild theory,but I think Ba-Ado-Mishram was the first child of Honor and Cultivation,and then they were unmade,so Honor and Cultivation made another spren,and that spren just called itself the Sibling 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheyenne Sedai Posted January 21, 2021 Report Share Posted January 21, 2021 (edited) I did catch that on my first read, and thought it was a reference to Adonalsium, I still think it might be. On another note, I really do like the theory about Mishram being a child of Honor and Cultivation that got Unmade, which is why she affected the world so much when she was imprisoned. Edited January 21, 2021 by Cheyenne Sedai 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+King of Herdaz Posted January 21, 2021 Report Share Posted January 21, 2021 I am of the opinion that it is Adonalsium. The Heralds name drop Adonalsium several times so it seems like the people of their time, Fused included, knew more about him/it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honorless Posted January 21, 2021 Report Share Posted January 21, 2021 On 12/30/2020 at 2:45 PM, Kaladin Is a Hero said: There is, now that I think of it, some sort of interesting connection between the sibling and Ba-Ado-Mishram. Why did the Tower shut down when Mishram was imprisoned. It can't just be coincidence, right? Unless I am wrong and the sibling "fell asleep," when Honor died. I don't remember the explanation the book offered for this. The book gave several plausible explanations for this, but we don't know for sure how much any and/or each of them contributed to the Sibling's problem with producing Towerlight. The Sibling themselves mostly attribute it to Honor's death, whose Rhythm they can no longer hear. Kalak suggested that all spren were affected by the imprisonment of Mishram which is what lead to Deadeyes being created by the Recreance, this seems to be when the Sibling started having that difficulty but they weren't exactly great at explaining the situation well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilphon Posted January 21, 2021 Report Share Posted January 21, 2021 Weirdly, it seemed like the Sibling started having problems before BAM was sealed. Like I'm sure that didn't help, and neither did Honor's death, but it started earlier than those events. Maybe it had something to do with BAM learning how to provide Forms of Power? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teknopathetic Posted January 21, 2021 Report Share Posted January 21, 2021 Looks at theory it is Ba-Ado-Mishram, then looks at theory it is Adonalsium.... Oh no, what if Ba-Ado-Mishram is an Adonalsium spren! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AquaRegia Posted January 21, 2021 Report Share Posted January 21, 2021 2 hours ago, Gilphon said: Weirdly, it seemed like the Sibling started having problems before BAM was sealed. Like I'm sure that didn't help, and neither did Honor's death, but it started earlier than those events. Maybe it had something to do with BAM learning how to provide Forms of Power? YES. The gemstone archive Epigraphs clearly show that "something is wrong" with the Sibling at the same time that plans were being made to capture BAM. That had slipped my mind; thanks, @Gilphon! I figured the Raboniel quote was a reference to BAM, and I still lean that way... but I don't see any compelling reason it couldn't be Adonalsium, other than the fact that, unless I'm mistaken, NOBODY in the Stormlight Archive - not even the Shards/Vessels - has mentioned that name. The "typical" modern Rosharan has certainly never heard the name "Adonalsium"... but the Fused in general (and Raboniel in particular) are supposed to be both ancient and knowledgeable. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheyenne Sedai Posted January 21, 2021 Report Share Posted January 21, 2021 1 minute ago, AquaRegia said: YES. The gemstone archive Epigraphs clearly show that "something is wrong" with the Sibling at the same time that plans were being made to capture BAM. That had slipped my mind; thanks, @Gilphon! I figured the Raboniel quote was a reference to BAM, and I still lean that way... but I don't see any compelling reason it couldn't be Adonalsium, other than the fact that, unless I'm mistaken, NOBODY in the Stormlight Archive - not even the Shards/Vessels - has mentioned that name. The "typical" modern Rosharan has certainly never heard the name "Adonalsium"... but the Fused in general (and Raboniel in particular) are supposed to be both ancient and knowledgeable. Hoid has mentioned it, but Hoid is Hoid. So Dalinar knows the name now. Hoid mentioned that name because he assumed Dalinar would have knowledge of it, which means he had to have gotten it from somewhere. Either a worldhopper organization, or Cosmere aware Rosharans. And with how knowledgeable the fused are supposed to be, it wouldn't be surprising if they know the name. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Bzhydack Posted January 21, 2021 Report Share Posted January 21, 2021 18 minutes ago, AquaRegia said: I figured the Raboniel quote was a reference to BAM, and I still lean that way... but I don't see any compelling reason it couldn't be Adonalsium, other than the fact that, unless I'm mistaken, NOBODY in the Stormlight Archive - not even the Shards/Vessels - has mentioned that name. The "typical" modern Rosharan has certainly never heard the name "Adonalsium"... but the Fused in general (and Raboniel in particular) are supposed to be both ancient and knowledgeable. Shash is shouting Adonalsium name, when she feels Jezriens death. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAFOmancer Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 On 12/30/2020 at 6:30 PM, paperstones said: LewsTherinTelescope Does "Ba-Ado-Mishram" mean "child of the light of Cultivation and Honor"? Brandon Sanderson RAFO, but you're doing a pretty good job picking apart the linguistics of that. I think, that the Sibling is literally the sibling of BAM (but BAM was Unmade). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Child of Hodor Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 (edited) On 1/21/2021 at 9:12 AM, King of Herdaz said: I am of the opinion that it is Adonalsium. The Heralds name drop Adonalsium several times so it seems like the people of their time, Fused included, knew more about him/it. The Singers (and Roshar) were created by Adonalsium and if the Heralds know the name the Fused would too I would think. If Raboniel meant BAM she’d have said mishram like Kalak does. It’s weird to shorten someone’s name to the chunk in the middle. 37 minutes ago, RAFOmancer said: I think, that the Sibling is literally the sibling of BAM (but BAM was Unmade). I like this a lot. Edited June 30, 2022 by Child of Hodor 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treamayne Posted July 1, 2022 Report Share Posted July 1, 2022 (edited) On 12/28/2020 at 2:49 PM, Ascended said: Was just doing a reread of RoW via Audible chapter 37 and got where the Fused are accosting the tower. Raboniel looks over at Venli after her kill and says something to the effect of "for Ados sake carry a knife." Any one else catch this? Could the fused have known or heard about Adonalsium? Asked and Answered - WoB: Spoiler AbjectBed3833 When Raboniel said "For Ado's sake," was she referring to Ba-Ado-Mishram or Adonalsium? Brandon Sanderson Adonalsium. Edited July 1, 2022 by Treamayne SPAG 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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