Elsecaller_17.5 Posted November 18, 2020 Report Share Posted November 18, 2020 That more then anything shocked me. Completely out of left field. I cannot believe Rasye is out of the picture that easily. 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--- Posted November 18, 2020 Report Share Posted November 18, 2020 (edited) NO i was NOT prepared at ALL for that. I actually wheezed. Like, some sort of Wheezing fit. I don't know what my family thought when they heard me but- It's absolutely terrifying I am completely terrified absolutely terrified this is scary. Yeah- about Rayse. I can't imagine how much easier this next part would be if it were with Rayse and not Terravangian :P. welp. Edited November 18, 2020 by Illwei 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kered Posted November 18, 2020 Report Share Posted November 18, 2020 Put the book down for a full 5 minutes and yelled “WHAT” so loud my fiancé thought we were being robbed. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alcatur Posted November 18, 2020 Report Share Posted November 18, 2020 I may have slightly risen a brow. It was quite unexpected; I thought there would be some final gambit, but not this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScavellTane Posted November 18, 2020 Report Share Posted November 18, 2020 Was thinking that NB would just wound Odium. Not a complete take over/swap. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Necessary Eagle Posted November 18, 2020 Report Share Posted November 18, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, Kered said: Put the book down for a full 5 minutes and yelled “WHAT” so loud my fiancé thought we were being robbed. same here. Well, I don't have a fiance, but my brother was somewhat alarmed by my violent cursing. Taravodium gives me the screaming willies. "I can finally protect everyone... using the power of cosmic hatred. Nope, can't see that going wrong in any way!" Do you think they're going to have to rename raysium? Edited November 18, 2020 by Necessary Eagle 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Meeker Posted November 18, 2020 Report Share Posted November 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Necessary Eagle said: Do you think they're going to have to rename raysium? Taravangianium, perhaps? Bit of a mouthful if you ask me 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hessi's Ward Posted November 18, 2020 Report Share Posted November 18, 2020 Why not Vargodium or Taravangium? No, I wasn't ready At. All. And the epilogue killed me and I am nothing but a Shade wailing around in disbelief. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Aletus Posted November 18, 2020 Report Share Posted November 18, 2020 Might as well put this here. Spoiler Nightblood eats investiture. Nightblood did not eat the Shard after killing Rayse. Thats... interesting 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--- Posted November 18, 2020 Report Share Posted November 18, 2020 17 minutes ago, Arch1tect said: Might as well put this here. Reveal hidden contents Nightblood eats investiture. Nightblood did not eat the Shard after killing Rayse. Thats... interesting I mean, Nighblood does have it's limits- Before in books he gets sleepy after eating. Rayse was a vessel, so I assume that even that leaves a lot more investiture in a person, even if the Shard is somehow separated from them. Eating Rayse, uh, especially with the circumstances I think, tired Nightblood out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subvisual Haze Posted November 18, 2020 Report Share Posted November 18, 2020 Oh Cultivation you brilliant fool. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--- Posted November 18, 2020 Report Share Posted November 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Subvisual Haze said: Oh Cultivation you brilliant fool. See I'm wondering if Cultivation is actually...trying to do what Odium did? and trying to use Odium to accomplish it? It...I don't see how it would make sense with her Intent, but- yeah. I guess Rayse was close to dying with Odium, and theoretically a controlled swap of Vessel is better than the power just being released and finding someone...like....Szeth? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subvisual Haze Posted November 18, 2020 Report Share Posted November 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, Illwei said: See I'm wondering if Cultivation is actually...trying to do what Odium did? and trying to use Odium to accomplish it? It...I don't see how it would make sense with her Intent, but- yeah. I guess Rayse was close to dying with Odium, and theoretically a controlled swap of Vessel is better than the power just being released and finding someone...like....Szeth? I'm glad we placed the most dangerous shard into the hands of an utterly amoral genius. What could possibly go wrong. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--- Posted November 18, 2020 Report Share Posted November 18, 2020 (edited) Just now, Subvisual Haze said: I'm glad we placed the most dangerous shard into the hands of an utterly amoral genius. What could possibly go wrong. technically she might have been hoping that since it was his most Empathetic/Emotional day, he would stay that way forever :P. Edited November 18, 2020 by Illwei 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOneKEA Posted November 18, 2020 Report Share Posted November 18, 2020 I was utterly shocked. I never never never NEVER expected Taravangian to take up the Odium Shard. I have a very bad feeling that we will see just how terrifying the unrestrained emotion of a capital-G God can truly be. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--- Posted November 18, 2020 Report Share Posted November 18, 2020 Just now, TheOneKEA said: I have a very bad feeling that we will see just how terrifying the unrestrained emotion of a capital-G God can truly be. :)))))))))))))) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Lord Meeker Posted November 19, 2020 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 19, 2020 *nobody ever* *Brandon Sanderson* let have Taravangian take up Rayse's power after killing *us now* well pack your bags Roshar is doomed. 19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+robardin Posted November 19, 2020 Report Share Posted November 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Subvisual Haze said: I'm glad we placed the most dangerous shard into the hands of an utterly amoral genius. What could possibly go wrong. But he was like in his stupidest / most Passionate phase of mind when he Ascended. I thought that would have somehow been reflected, but he sure sounded like Pretty Smart Taravangian afterward, didn't he? Maybe that was unforeseen by Culti? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harkain Posted November 19, 2020 Report Share Posted November 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, robardin said: But he was like in his stupidest / most Passionate phase of mind when he Ascended. I thought that would have somehow been reflected, but he sure sounded like Pretty Smart Taravangian afterward, didn't he? Maybe that was unforeseen by Culti? I think there was a reference somewhere saying that picking up a shard expanded someone intelligence wise? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NameIess Posted November 19, 2020 Report Share Posted November 19, 2020 I was not ready. I also didn't care all that much. I was in shock after Kaladin's ending. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seloun Posted November 19, 2020 Report Share Posted November 19, 2020 Anger + Odium + Taravangian => Mad + Hatred + Taravangian => Mad HatTar Which leads to the obvious conclusion: Carroll predicted this. Alice (Shallan) falls down a hole (chasm) and has a companion that is often mostly invisible (Pattern). Through the Looking Glass is an obvious allegory for travelling to Shadesmar. Also, I propose Mad HatTar as an alias for Taravangian!Odium. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rainier Posted November 19, 2020 Report Share Posted November 19, 2020 I'm still in shock at the ramifications. First of all, The Diagram was ultimately part of Cultivation's plan to murder Rayse with Nightblood, then have Taravangian in place to take up the Shard. Second, Taravangian may have read all of Hoid's memories, which should have caught him up nicely with the state of the Cosmere, and more importantly the history of the Cosmere and the Shattering. Third, he is on a collision course with Dalinar in just ten days time 6 hours ago, Subvisual Haze said: I'm glad we placed the most dangerous shard into the hands of an utterly amoral genius. What could possibly go wrong. Cultivation had a significant impact on the person he became after he visited her. She wanted it in the hands of someone she had sculpted, instead of anyone she had not. And the sly dragon has gotten her way thus far. The only question now, what the heck is her way? Why maneuver Dalinar and Taravangian into place right as the final clash between Odium and what's-left-of-Honor? What is she planning on happening in ten days? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsecaller_17.5 Posted November 19, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2020 17 hours ago, ScavellTane said: Was thinking that NB would just wound Odium. Not a complete take over/swap. I mean this is actually what Brandon told us would happen. Vessel destroyed but shard unharmed 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eternal Khol Posted November 19, 2020 Report Share Posted November 19, 2020 21 hours ago, Elsecaller_17.5 said: That more then anything shocked me. Completely out of left field. I cannot believe Rasye is out of the picture that easily. It was really weird for me. i wasn’t expecting it, but at the same time it was like Déjà Vu. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tahva4815 Posted November 19, 2020 Report Share Posted November 19, 2020 Created an account here JUST BECAUSE OF THIS TWIST. On one hand it was one of the most shocking things yet in the entire series and in a book that NEEDED to up the stakes going into Book 5 this twist 100% succeeded in making me absolutely TERRIFIED of the implications of this. On the other hand it came out of absolutely nowhere and I think I need to see how it plays out before being sure about it, like we've heard so much about how bad of a man Rayse was only for that to....not really matter at all? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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