I just realized something

[Halyo_Alex]

Nikli tells Rysn that she's forbidden from bonding a Spren and becoming a Radiant now that she's a Dawnshard, and we know that the Dawnshards were used (at least in part) to Shatter Adonalsium, and that part of the weapon that Shattered Adonalsium is why Hoid is immortal.

So assuming that that equates to Hoid being a Dawnshard like Rysn, that... That's interesting. Because Hoid DOES have a Spren, the Cryptic that almost bonded with Elhokar.

HMMMMMMMMM.

Just a thought I had.

[KandraAllomancer]

Hoid used to be a Dawnshard in the deep past and probably isn't any longer:

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Brandon Sanderson

Hoid was a Dawnshard at some point in the deep past, and the reason he (even still) cannot physically harm people, or even eat meat, is related to the changes this made to his spirit. (Consider this the same fundamental principle as savanthood.) The few of you who have read Dragonsteel know that him being a Dawnshard was also the source of his immortality in that book, though the terms were different back then. (The word Dawnshard was never mentioned, for example--though the primary story of Dragonsteel (which is no longer cannon) was about several people who unwittingly become Dawnshards.)

And a preemptive RAFO to all questions on this point.

Dawnshard Annotations (Nov. 6, 2020)

Hoid's Dawnshard must have been used to Shatter Adonalsium; since he refused divinity at this point, he probably lost the Dawnshard as well. That leads to another question though: if bonding a spren is enough to devastate a planet, what level of Investiture is enough to perform the Shattering? It seems that the original Vessels, Hoid and possibly Frost must have already been at a level at least comparable to the Tenth Heightening, right?

[Halyo_Alex]

2 hours ago, KandraAllomancer said:

Hoid used to be a Dawnshard in the deep past and probably isn't any longer:

Ah, dang. That's probably why the Sleepless aren't as concerned about him (though, it's not like they could stop him? )

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Hoid's Dawnshard must have been used to Shatter Adonalsium; since he refused divinity at this point, he probably lost the Dawnshard as well. That leads to another question though: if bonding a spren is enough to devastate a planet, what level of Investiture is enough to perform the Shattering? It seems that the original Vessels, Hoid and possibly Frost must have already been at a level at least comparable to the Tenth Heightening, right?

Well Hoid still had his Yolish Lightweaving left over, was he somehow using that back then to power his Dawnshard?

Edited November 12, 2020 by Halyo_Alex
clarity

[KandraAllomancer]

15 hours ago, Halyo_Alex said:

Well Hoid still had his Yolish Lightweaving left over, was he somehow using that back then to power his Dawnshard?

Definitely, but would that level of power be enough to Shatter Adonalsium (or even splinter a Shard)? Dalinar seems to be a good candidate for another Dawnshard and if he was aware of the full extent oh his powers he could probable do some truly amazing stuff (e.g. replicate the Oathpact). Still, I doubt that it would be enough to splinter Odium, for example

[Halyo_Alex]

2 hours ago, KandraAllomancer said:

Definitely, but would that level of power be enough to Shatter Adonalsium (or even splinter a Shard)? Dalinar seems to be a good candidate for another Dawnshard and if he was aware of the full extent oh his powers he could probable do some truly amazing stuff (e.g. replicate the Oathpact). Still, I doubt that it would be enough to splinter Odium, for example

I have a weird suspicion that Odium actually does have a Dawnshard (and it's the one that is different from all the rest, that brandon mentioned a while ago). Maybe... Passion? Or something that, if combined with the Intent of Odium, creates Passion.

[Bragtown]

I think Rysn was forbidden from bonding a spren because of the distrust between Amians and High Spren

[Shuffel]

Will Hoid be able to recognize Rysn as a dawnshard now?

Edited November 12, 2020 by Shuffel

[Leuthie]

Rysn was forbidden from bonding a spren because without an Investiture source, she's just a passive holder of the Command. She can't really do anything with it. Being passive, she's probably also very silent, with other powers not aware that she's holding.

With Investiture, she's a huge power that the Amians don't want to have walking around. She would probably also be a shining beacon to other forces that want a Dawnshard.