LeoShervey Posted August 17, 2020 Report Share Posted August 17, 2020 Okay, this may be a stupid question... But, theoretically, could a bronze misting (or mistborn) become a bronze savant? Like the bronze equivalent of what happened to spook in HoA? If so, what would happen? Would they potentially be able to sense through copperclouds, like vin with hemalurgy? Or would they just be able to sense the pulses more clearly? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dancer Posted August 17, 2020 Report Share Posted August 17, 2020 (edited) Any Misting or Mistborn can become a savant of any metal if they burn it continuously for a long period of time. Harmony has stated that most Seekers do in fact become savants unknowingly due to them constantly burning bronze. The benefits from this was stated to be greater range, precision and power. A very strong savant would be able to pierce through a weak smokers copper cloud. We don't know what the downsides to being a Bronze savant is. Brandon has stated that there is always a downside to being a Savant. It is not a power boost that you attain without giving something up in return. Edited August 17, 2020 by Dancer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+robardin Posted August 17, 2020 Report Share Posted August 17, 2020 10 hours ago, Dancer said: Any Misting or Mistborn can become a savant of any metal if they burn it continuously for a long period of time. Harmony has stated that most Seekers do in fact become savants unknowingly due to them constantly burning bronze. The benefits from this was stated to be greater range, precision and power. A very strong savant would be able to pierce through a weak smokers copper cloud. We don't know what the downsides to being a Bronze savant is. Brandon has stated that there is always a downside to being a Savant. It is not a power boost that you attain without giving something up in return. The only savant we saw end up like that was Spook when he spent too much time constantly flaring his tin - when he extinguished it, he was sensorily numb. And so what is the "withdrawal effect" of extinguishing one's bronze, after constantly flaring it all the time? Maybe an inability to make use of one's normal sensory input? Like, your eyes and ears work normally, but integrating the information they present to you becomes extremely difficult? Copperclouds would probably be a prime candidate for savantism, as Smokers likely walk around quite a bit with their copper on low, just to avoid emotional Allomancy. So a copper savant who extinguished the metal becomes... What? Super-susceptible to Breeze's Soothing? LOL 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koloss17 Posted August 19, 2020 Report Share Posted August 19, 2020 It seems that a savant has serious physical drawbacks if you stop burning it. Kind of like being addicted. The drawbacks are while you are still burning it. Spook’s tin is so good that sunlight hurts his eyes. There was a thug savant in era 2 that was so good at burning pewter that he didn’t feel any pain because of pewter’s pain dampening effect. I can’t fathom what bronze’s drawback is, but I think the current fact that bronze burners usually become savants is probably maybe false. Brando has been struggling with savantism lately and has called back the fact that wax is an emerging savant. So I’ll guess he’ll say that Sazed, whi I believe Wrote the pre-chapter italics, is wrong about that fact nugget. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanLemon Posted August 19, 2020 Report Share Posted August 19, 2020 I'd imagine a Bronze Savant would become so used to their sense of Investiture that not burning it would be as drastic as losing sight or hearing or some other sense 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halyo_Alex Posted August 19, 2020 Report Share Posted August 19, 2020 54 minutes ago, StanLemon said: I'd imagine a Bronze Savant would become so used to their sense of Investiture that not burning it would be as drastic as losing sight or hearing or some other sense Basically like becoming deaf all of a sudden. Yeah I could see that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkum Posted August 20, 2020 Report Share Posted August 20, 2020 (edited) I imagine it is sort of like (warbreaker spoilers, tagged just in case) Spoiler what Vivenna experiences in warbreaker when she loses her breaths and goes from something like the 3rd heightening all the way down to a drab. Edited August 20, 2020 by Dunkum 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koloss17 Posted August 20, 2020 Report Share Posted August 20, 2020 12 minutes ago, Dunkum said: I imagine it is sort of like (tagged just in case) Reveal hidden contents what Vivenna experiences in warbreaker when she loses her breaths and goes from something like the 3rd heightening all the way down to a drab. Yeah. I think that is probably the right line of thinking. You might want to put that as warbreaker spoilers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkum Posted August 20, 2020 Report Share Posted August 20, 2020 fair point. edited 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cometaryorbit Posted August 23, 2020 Report Share Posted August 23, 2020 Yeah, savantism details may change. And yeah, I think the Warbreaker analogy makes a lot of sense. Spoiler The Nalthian "life-sense" is apparently a form of Investiture detection so maybe a Bronze Savant who isn't burning doesn't notice when they are being watched, and in general feels disconnected/"cut off from the world"? On 8/17/2020 at 5:23 PM, robardin said: So a copper savant who extinguished the metal becomes... What? Super-susceptible to Breeze's Soothing? LOL Actually, that being the effect wouldn't surprise me... being more easily affected by emotional allomancy & other Cognitive Investiture stuff. And maybe your emotions become more changeable in general, or something, who knows. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinkoln Posted August 23, 2020 Report Share Posted August 23, 2020 Maybe what would happen is an inability to detect Allomancy with normal senses. You would dismiss any Allomancy you see with your eyes, because you got used to detecting it with bronze. For example, if you saw a crowd get manipulated with emotional Allomancy you would disregard it as simple human nature, or if you see a thug you assume they are just strong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormFather! Posted October 21, 2020 Report Share Posted October 21, 2020 I think a strong bronze savant would be able to sense ALL investiture, including feruchemy, surgebinding, people with breaths, rhythms, elantrians, fabrials, and spren. I think the life sense of breaths and bronze allomany are similar abilities that works better with detecting their own magic system, but can detect others when strong enough. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koloss17 Posted October 22, 2020 Report Share Posted October 22, 2020 51 minutes ago, StormFather! said: I think a strong bronze savant would be able to sense ALL investiture, including feruchemy, surgebinding, people with breaths, rhythms, elantrians, fabrials, and spren. I think the life sense of breaths and bronze allomany are similar abilities that works better with detecting their own magic system, but can detect others when strong enough. So bronze senses kinetic investiture; burning a metal, tapping/storing a metal, life sense, aeons. Basically if you are actively using the investiture, bronze will sense it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsdaughter613 Posted October 22, 2020 Report Share Posted October 22, 2020 On 8/19/2020 at 0:31 PM, Koloss17 said: It seems that a savant has serious physical drawbacks if you stop burning it. Kind of like being addicted. The drawbacks are while you are still burning it. Spook’s tin is so good that sunlight hurts his eyes. There was a thug savant in era 2 that was so good at burning pewter that he didn’t feel any pain because of pewter’s pain dampening effect. I can’t fathom what bronze’s drawback is, but I think the current fact that bronze burners usually become savants is probably maybe false. Brando has been struggling with savantism lately and has called back the fact that wax is an emerging savant. So I’ll guess he’ll say that Sazed, whi I believe Wrote the pre-chapter italics, is wrong about that fact nugget. Problem is that Saze was already Harmony when he wrote it. As Harmony he understood completely the magic systems born of his existence. So it’s not just a matter of saying Saze was wrong; doing so effects how much Shards understand their own magic systems. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frustration Posted October 22, 2020 Report Share Posted October 22, 2020 41 minutes ago, Kingsdaughter613 said: Problem is that Saze was already Harmony when he wrote it. As Harmony he understood completely the magic systems born of his existence. So it’s not just a matter of saying Saze was wrong; doing so effects how much Shards understand their own magic systems. He has been censoring Hemalurgy, so if Brandon builds in reasons... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsdaughter613 Posted October 22, 2020 Report Share Posted October 22, 2020 57 minutes ago, Frustration said: He has been censoring Hemalurgy, so if Brandon builds in reasons... Censoring is different than outright lying. I think someone needs to remind Brandon about that epigraph... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frustration Posted October 22, 2020 Report Share Posted October 22, 2020 9 minutes ago, Kingsdaughter613 said: Censoring is different than outright lying. I think someone needs to remind Brandon about that epigraph... He did lie to Kelsier. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsdaughter613 Posted October 22, 2020 Report Share Posted October 22, 2020 4 hours ago, Frustration said: He did lie to Kelsier. Very badly. He’s not someone who lies often, and I doubt he would when there was no reason to. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raphaborn Posted October 22, 2020 Report Share Posted October 22, 2020 22 hours ago, Kingsdaughter613 said: Problem is that Saze was already Harmony when he wrote it. As Harmony he understood completely the magic systems born of his existence. So it’s not just a matter of saying Saze was wrong; doing so effects how much Shards understand their own magic systems. He had just become Harmony, we already know that some information from Words of Founding is wrong or misleading. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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