+Child of Hodor Posted August 14, 2020 Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 (edited) TL;DR Dalinar sees an all-Obsidian fortress in the purelake during a vision, one that no one knows about now. The ground in Shadesmar look Obsidian. In OB Shallan "pulls" a wall from the physical realm into the cognitive realm. Could this fortress be the reverse? It was pulled from Shadesmar and it's gone now because it transitioned back. Dalinar has a Vision where he sees a large fortress made out of what looks like obisidan. He says it must no longer exist otherwise it would be famous. Quote "Jet-black stone. Obisidian? ... It looks like it's created entirely from Obisidian." WoR Ch. 4 Later in WoR Shallan escapes the ship, by slipping partially into shadesmar. Quote "The ground beneath her reflected light. Obsidian?" WoR Ch. 7 In OB Adolin observes the ground in Shadesmar as Obsidian-like Quote "Slowly they approached the strip of land, which turned out to be made of a deep, glassy black stone. Kind of like obsidian." OB CH. 89 Damnation During the fight with the Fused in Shadesmar, Shallan summons a wall from the physical realm into Shadesmar to block a Fused. Quote "Shallan felt something. ... just beyond her mental reach. On the other side, and if she could just tug on it, feed it ... A wall appeared in front of her. Shallan gasped. A sickening smack from the other side of the wall indicated the Fused had collided with it. " OB CH. 117 With all that established, what if the obsidian fortress Dalinar saw is the reverse? It was built in Shadesmar, maybe by spren and the Radiants pulled it into the physical realm using a technique similar to what Shallan did. It's probably much harder to do, like traveling out of Shadesmar into the physical was much harder for Jasnah. The reason no trace of it is known now is it reverted to Shadesmar at some point. It could have been completed destroyed in a desolation. I don't think Purelake erosion is going to erode all trace of it by itself even over thousands of years. There's nothing in the rule book that says a dog can't play basketball, er, I mean nothing says you can't pull buildings from Shadesmar! Edited August 14, 2020 by Child of Hodor 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Silver Posted August 14, 2020 Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 Good theory, I think it more likely that since their is a know and stable perpendicularity in the area, one of the Bondsmiths opened it up and a group of Elsecallers spent a time in between desolations building these fortresses. Jasinah, made a wall of bronze in the middle of a battle. Imagine what a group of trained Elsecallers and a Bondsmith could do with a year. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger Posted August 14, 2020 Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 9 minutes ago, Master Silver said: Good theory, I think it more likely that since their is a know and stable perpendicularity in the area ? No there isn't. The only stable perpendicularity is in the horneater peeks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Silver Posted August 14, 2020 Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 (edited) Aren't the horneater peaks near the pure lake? ..... Just looked at a map... Nevermind. But if the Bondsmith bonded to the Storm Father coudl always open perpendicularities, they still could have done it. Edited August 14, 2020 by Master Silver 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Bzhydack Posted August 14, 2020 Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 34 minutes ago, Karger said: ? No there isn't. The only stable perpendicularity is in the horneater peeks. But Purelake is somehow related to Shardpools. If isnt, why 17th Expedition search for Hoid exact there? And I dont think Perpendicularity is needet. Many Ellsecallers/Willshapers (probably more even latter ones) + Bondsmith (Connecting powers into one) should do the trick. 34 minutes ago, Master Silver said: But if the Bondsmith bonded to the Storm Father coudl always open perpendicularities, they still could have done it. No he cant. What Dalinar is doing is specific only for him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger Posted August 14, 2020 Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 15 minutes ago, Bzhydack said: But Purelake is somehow related to Shardpools. If isnt, why 17th Expedition search for Hoid exact there? Hoid left a false trail. 15 minutes ago, Bzhydack said: And I dont think Perpendicularity is needet. Many Ellsecallers/Willshapers (probably more even latter ones) + Bondsmith (Connecting powers into one) should do the trick. Maybe. I do think a shadesmar connection might be on track. 16 minutes ago, Bzhydack said: No he cant. What Dalinar is doing is specific only for him. The bondsmiths do seem to have always had the ability to partially open a perpendicularity. Quote Questioner Dalinar Ascends, right? Like, right then, there. Brandon Sanderson I have RAFO'd that. Whether he is Ascending or not is a RAFO. Questioner Okay, because I know he kind of mentions from that, I don't know how to say his name but the older guy who has the Diagram-- Brandon Sanderson Taravangian, yeah. Whether that deserves to be a capital "A" or not is a matter of argument. It can be disputed. Questioner I guess my main question would just be Dalinar's now able to pull Stormlight and give it to people now. Brandon Sanderson He definitely can. That is a Bondsmith power, so. Questioner That is a Bondsmith power, okay. Brandon Sanderson That is specifically a Bondsmith power. Questioner Because my roommate was saying well, the Stormfather was surprised he could do that or was the Stormfather surprised that he was able to bridge-- Brandon Sanderson He was surprised by what was happening to Dalinar as a whole. Questioner Oh okay, that's what I thought because I was like, because I felt like the Stormlight, that power would be a Bondsmith power. Brandon Sanderson Let's say that the Stormfather and Odium were seeing something in Dalinar that, perhaps, the average person watching even who is knowledgeable about Surges would not completely understand... But he will be able to use that power and Bondsmiths in the past have used that same power. Footnote: Brandon clarified that he might have been unintentionally misleading in his answers to this question during his Stormlight 4 Update 1. Idaho Falls signing (Dec. 29, 2018) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rorzikel Posted August 15, 2020 Report Share Posted August 15, 2020 I wonder if perhaps it’s a Willshaper ability. Transportation and Cohesion seem like they could have a resonance that brings over material from Shadesmar to be shaped into buildings. Fits the whole Maker archetype. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Child of Hodor Posted August 18, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2020 Well well well well well well well look what we have here ... Spoilers for something this site put on it's front page Spoiler It does not match the description of the fortress. Dalinar does not describe a 2001 Space Odyssey monolith. But it's proof there are large obsidian-like structures in Shadesmar. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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