Dahn of elevated Shard Bearers

[+Oltux72]

Which dahn are Lirin, Hesina and Oroden now? They are not lighteyed. Yet Oroden is theoretically Kaladin's heir. First dahn?

EDIT: First nahn

Edited August 1, 2020 by Oltux72
stupidity

[+robardin]

So this is an interesting question that must have historical precedent with the rare, but occasional darkeyes who became lighteyes in the past by winning Shards on the field of battle. They're personally elevated to the fourth dahn, but what about their families?

As far Kaladin being third dahn now, where is that mentioned? Oh, him being a Highmarshal - that's technically a (very minor) spoiler for Rhythm of War Chapter 3, tsk tsk tsk!

Kaladin may now be a Highmarshal, a title which outranks a Battalionlord which in turn is fourth dahn (the same title that was conferred upon Azure as the commander of the Wall Guard at Kholinar, which command spanned four battalions); but that doesn't necessarily mean a Highmarshal is third dahn. We have explicit mention that "Generals" and "Highlords" are third dahn (it's also in the Coppermind as such), and surely "General" still outranks "Highmarshal". So it could be a spectrum where fourth dahn includes a Highmarshal despite being a step above Battalionlord, equally as likely as a Highmarshal being considered third dahn while being a step below General.

Given how many bridgemen have become full Radiants as well as squires, almost all originally darkeyes, there are going to be a lot more "real lighteyes" in Alethkar now, eh? They may have to come up with "super-dahn" for Nahel Bond Lighteyes versus Born With Light Eyes lighteyes?

And since you bring it up, in terms of what we've seen in the first seven chapters of Rhythm of War, though I'll keep the spoilers to a minimum (about at the level as you just dropped that Kaladin explicitly holds the rank of Highmarshal),

Spoiler

When Dalinar meets Kaladin's father and surprises him by addressing him as "Lirin Stormblessed", he adds, "I assumed you would take Kaladin's house name". So I guess that's what has happened in the past, or at least is expected to happen now. But also note that Dalinar did not address Lirin as "Brightlord Lirin", at least not yet, which would be awkward to do because his eyes are not, in fact, light the way that Kaladin's are.

Also of interest: as of Ch. 7 we have yet to see if Kaladin's eyes have permanently turned blue yet from all the Surgebinding he's done in the past year-plus... It's implied by earlier WoBs that after a while, it becomes a physically heritable trait, beyond just "sDNA".

 

Edited August 23, 2020 by robardin

[+Bzhydack]

Shardbearers are automaticly elevated on 4th Dahn. But now Kaladin is Highmarshall, he probably is 3d Dahn. His heir will be 4th Dahn, because relatives of aristocrats are Dahn lower. Probably Lirin and Hesina are also 4th Dahn, technicaly.

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1 minute ago, Bzhydack said:

Shardbearers are automaticly elevated on 4th Dahn. But now Kaladin is Highmarshall, he probably is 3d Dahn. His heir will be 4th Dahn, because relatives of aristocrats are Dahn lower. Probably Lirin and Hesina are also 4th Dahn, technicaly.

Darkeyes can't be dahn they would be 1st Nahn, and if Kal had a Typical Shardblade and no children, when he died it would go to Oroden and then he would inheit his brothers titles. However I expect that those rules will change in the future.

[+Oltux72]

4 minutes ago, Bzhydack said:

Shardbearers are automaticly elevated on 4th Dahn. But now Kaladin is Highmarshall, he probably is 3d Dahn. His heir will be 4th Dahn, because relatives of aristocrats are Dahn lower. Probably Lirin and Hesina are also 4th Dahn, technicaly.

But they have dark eyes.