Codaic sapperial Posted July 28, 2020 Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 So I was thinking spears to my knowledge they are the one thing in the Cosmere created with the intention to hold investiture among other things (I’ll get to spren momentarily) normally it holds the local form of investiture in the form of stormlight however I’m wondering if it can hold other forms of investiture as well If so then what would that mean for fabriels what would happen if you tried to power a fabriel with an alternate form of investiture would we have to build new Fabriels to be compatible? Is it possible to Artificially replicate the other systems of magic Without The use of hymalergy Could someone with the ability to draw investiture from spheres be able to draw from spheres that are invested with another type of investiture If so what would happen about spren Spren are a cognitive version of stuff, ideas we have given life, one of the attributes of spheres is the ability to hold spren so My question is can it hold other cognitive things What about the cognitive version of people (the floating flames in Shadesmar) can you tie a sphere to a person or trap someone in a sphere How about a seon could you trap a seon inside of a sphere sorry about my spelling of many of the terms and stuff. I didn’t know how to go looking them up without having to retype this whole thing Also sorry if this seems like a rant I’ve been thinking a bit about it. if you want you can address parts of it or Even the overall idea whatever floats your goat 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger Posted July 28, 2020 Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Codaic sapperial said: normally it holds the local form of investiture in the form of stormlight however I’m wondering if it can hold other forms of investiture as well You can. Just for example we know that the thrill is contained in a gemstone. 1 hour ago, Codaic sapperial said: If so then what would that mean for fabriels what would happen if you tried to power a fabriel with an alternate form of investiture We don't know. 1 hour ago, Codaic sapperial said: What about the cognitive version of people (the floating flames in Shadesmar) can you tie a sphere to a person or trap someone in a sphere Maybe. We think this is what Moash did to Jes at the end of OB. 1 hour ago, Codaic sapperial said: How about a seon could you trap a seon inside of a sphere Seons are not really different then spren. If you went to roshar and somehow manged to get your seon there too you would get surgebinding. Quote mooglefrooglian You've previously mentioned that someone bonded to a Seon would get some benefits if they went to Roshar , basically that it would be treated sort of like a Nahel bond. This implies to me that something about Roshar likes to give powers from bonds. (Hi there, Honor...) Should this be taken to mean that spren-bond based Surgebinding won't work off-world, as it's a benefit Roshar gives from having a bond? Or would it be more specific, and mean that some of the passive benefits Radiants get (visions, Windrunner squire strengths) would be lost, but Surgebinding retained? Mainly I'm interested in whether or not we can reach maximum Jasnah levels and have the possibility of her appearing in non-SA books. I don't think she'd be much into worldhopping if she couldn't get back with the Travel Surge... Brandon Sanderson Surgebinding will work off-world. /r/books AMA 2015 (June 13, 2015) Great questions. Welcome to the shard! Edited July 28, 2020 by Karger 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weltall Posted July 28, 2020 Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 (edited) Welcome to the Shard! 1 hour ago, Codaic sapperial said: Is it possible to Artificially replicate the other systems of magic Without The use of hymalergy Yes, and Brandon has said that 'fabrial' will become the widespread term for such devices in the future, but that doesn't mean they'll all work the same way. The Southern Scadrians for example already have their own means of using the Metallic Arts in a more mechanical fashion, plus the medallions that grant allomantic and/or feruchemical powers. The machines don't use gemstones however but harmonium, while the medallions make use of F-Nicrosil to store the ability to use some other power, with that metal plus the one corresponding to the granted power being required. Edited July 28, 2020 by Weltall 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eternal Khol Posted July 28, 2020 Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 20 minutes ago, Karger said: If you went to roshar and somehow manged to get your seon there too you would get surgebinding. how do you figure that? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger Posted July 28, 2020 Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, Eternal Khol said: how do you figure that? 22 minutes ago, Karger said: You've previously mentioned that someone bonded to a Seon would get some benefits if they went to Roshar , basically that it would be treated sort of like a Nahel bond 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eternal Khol Posted July 28, 2020 Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Karger said: You've previously mentioned that someone bonded to a Seon would get some benefits if they went to Roshar , basically that it would be treated sort of like a Nahel bond he never states that it would be surgebinding. just "benefits" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger Posted July 28, 2020 Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 Just now, Eternal Khol said: just "benefits" Just now, Eternal Khol said: basically that it would be treated sort of like a Nahel bond 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eternal Khol Posted July 28, 2020 Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 you right. Questioner If an Elantrian bonded to a Seon were to travel to Roshar, would that act as a Nahel bond? Brandon Sanderson It would act very, very similarly, yes. But it would be like... it wouldn't necessarily do the exact same things. Like if you've got two radios tuned to a frequency, they won't necessarily pick up another radio frequency, or things like this. I don't know, that's a bad metaphor, I'd have to think of a better one. But it would be treated exactly the same way but it might not grant the same powers. Words of Radiance Washington, DC signing (March 20, 2014) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger Posted July 29, 2020 Report Share Posted July 29, 2020 5 hours ago, Eternal Khol said: you right. It does happen sometimes despite my siblings protestations to the contrary. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codaic sapperial Posted July 29, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2020 20 hours ago, Karger said: You can. Just for example we know that the thrill is contained in a gemstone. I always thought that the thrill was a powerful spren, not necessarily an alternative form of investiture 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halyo_Alex Posted July 29, 2020 Report Share Posted July 29, 2020 I think one of the easier types of investiture that could be put into a gemstone would be the light from Taldain's sun on Dayside. The whole point is that it's always there, if you could fill gems with this "Sandlight" and transport it through the CR in some form, you could distribute it to the Radiants even if they figure out how to take their Spren off world, for a renewable fuel source. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NameIess Posted July 29, 2020 Report Share Posted July 29, 2020 15 minutes ago, Codaic sapperial said: I always thought that the thrill was a powerful spren, not necessarily an alternative form of investiture Spren are made of investiture. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger Posted July 29, 2020 Report Share Posted July 29, 2020 45 minutes ago, Codaic sapperial said: I always thought that the thrill was a powerful spren, not necessarily an alternative form of investiture Spren are made of investiture. The ones you are most familiar with are made of Honor's Cultivation or some combination. Voidspren and the unmade are made of Odium's. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Oltux72 Posted July 29, 2020 Report Share Posted July 29, 2020 22 hours ago, Codaic sapperial said: So I was thinking spears to my knowledge they are the one thing in the Cosmere created with the intention to hold investiture among other things (I’ll get to spren momentarily) No, there is also the presumably Elantrian technology Riino was using in Oathbringer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weltall Posted July 29, 2020 Report Share Posted July 29, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Codaic sapperial said: I always thought that the thrill was a powerful spren, not necessarily an alternative form of investiture As mentioned, these aren't as distinct as you think. A spren is a kind of Splinter (a fragment of a Shard's Investiture) which under certain circumstances may develop sapience. Seons and skaze are both types of sapient Splinters, all spren are Splinters, the Divine Breaths that sustain the Returned are non-sapient Splinters. Splinters can be created intentionally by a Shard (the Divine Breaths for example) or unintentionally as a consequence of a Shard being Splintered by an outside force (the seons and skaze). The Unmade are intentionally created Splinters of Odium, meaning they're literally made of his Investiture. 1 hour ago, Halyo_Alex said: I think one of the easier types of investiture that could be put into a gemstone would be the light from Taldain's sun on Dayside. The whole point is that it's always there, if you could fill gems with this "Sandlight" and transport it through the CR in some form, you could distribute it to the Radiants even if they figure out how to take their Spren off world, for a renewable fuel source. I'm not sure if you could capture it the same way that gems capture stormlight (which is more a Spiritual Realm thing) but we do know that Autonomy's Investiture is one of the easiest to access in the Cosmere and would have been another good place for Vasher to go had he been able to get to Taldain. We also know that you could use it mechanically with enough knowledge and technology. But I'm not sure that a polestone and the lichen on Taldaini sand necessarily function similarly enough that just exposing one to the light of the sun would infuse the stone. That said, the lichen living on the sand reacts universally to kinetic Investiture so it would definitely work and Brandon has said that after the Metallic Arts, Sand Mastery is the easiest magic system to use offworld without hacks. Edited July 29, 2020 by Weltall 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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