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Radiant's Eye Colors Corresponding to Orders

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For a time I have wondered why Shallan's eyes don't glow red. We know from WoB that when radiant's glow, whether through their skin or their eyes, they do so in the color corresponds to their order (source). My understanding is that order colors are the those of their associated gemstone. So Kaladin glows blue because windrunners are associated with sapphires. Renarin should glow green, since truthwatchers are linked to emeralds. Dalinar's glow should be yellow (heliodor), Szeth's gray (smokestone), and so on.

Lightweavers associated gemstone is garnet, which is red. We've seen one of Shallan's personas, Radiant, beraring a garnet colored shardplate:

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"Radiant, in glowing garnet Shardplate, tall, with braided hair". Oathbringer, page 1149.

So, why don't her eyes glow red?

In 2016 there was a post on this matter (which you can read here) where @Cortez theorized that she's been unconsciously hiding the red in her eyes since it was the reason for her mother trying to kill her (I don't know how to quote a comment :c). But beyond that I haven't found much explanation.

Do you have an idea about why this is?

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It's possible. She can suppress stormlight from emitting from her skin.  Why not suppress the eyes,  too?

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Ohhhh. I had not thought about this before. What a very interesting idea. 
I wonder if her eyes only turn red when she is using/accessing her powers — then she would always have enough Stormlight to “cover them up” even if it was unconsciously. If they permanently turned red there are too many times that she doesn’t have Stormlight access that her red eyes would have been noticed. 

It is also possible that she needs to progress further in her powers, or they would turn red in Shadesmar but not in the physical realm? But I don’t recall an eye color difference in OB at all. I doubt soul casting would be different from lightweaving — but it’s possible. I can’t imagine Hoid having red eyes. 
 

Do we know for sure that Shallan’s mom saw Shallan with red eyes? I just finished re-reading WoR and don’t recall that at all. But I could have missed it.

What a great observation. 

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The eye colours change only happens in people who are Darkeyes, Lighteyes stay the same

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My question has to do with the color of Shallan's eyes currently, because we've noticed over the books that Kaladin's eyes, as he's continued to use his Surge, changed to lighter and lighter blue. Whereas one could argue that Shallan is farther in her Ideals than Kaladin is, yet her eyes have not changed at all.

Brandon Sanderson

Right, 'cause they were already light.

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'Cause they were already light? So it only affects lightness or darkness in the eyes, not necessarily any other color?

Brandon Sanderson

It's not like it is-- It's not like it's saying "Light minus 50%".

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It's not like Honor is blue and--

Brandon Sanderson

No. It is not. It is just kind of the way that the changes the Stormlight is making the body and certain people are already descended from people who had repeated, over time, changes by the body which stopped physically... That's not to say that all lighteyes that's where they came from. There are some that are natural mutations.

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So Kaladin's eyes glow blue, Szeth's glow pale smoky grey & Lift's glow like clear pale glass but Shallan, Dalinar & Jasnah's eye colours will remain the same.

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12 minutes ago, Honorless said:

The eye colours change only happens in people who are Darkeyes, Lighteyes stay the same

So Kaladin's eyes glow blue & Lift's glow like clear pale glass but Shallan, Dalinar & Jasnah's eye colours will remain the same.

Wow, nice catch! I had never seen that WoB.

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44 minutes ago, JoyBlu said:

Ohhhh. I had not thought about this before. What a very interesting idea. 
I wonder if her eyes only turn red when she is using/accessing her powers — then she would always have enough Stormlight to “cover them up” even if it was unconsciously. If they permanently turned red there are too many times that she doesn’t have Stormlight access that her red eyes would have been noticed. 

It is also possible that she needs to progress further in her powers, or they would turn red in Shadesmar but not in the physical realm? But I don’t recall an eye color difference in OB at all. I doubt soul casting would be different from lightweaving — but it’s possible. I can’t imagine Hoid having red eyes. 
 

Do we know for sure that Shallan’s mom saw Shallan with red eyes? I just finished re-reading WoR and don’t recall that at all. But I could have missed it.

What a great observation. 

We don't know for sure. That was just that user's theory.

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Shouldn't Shallan's eyes glow an off-redish variant, because Dustbringers are associated with rubies and their color is red?

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7 hours ago, BasementDwellingRadiant said:

Shouldn't Shallan's eyes glow an off-redish variant, because Dustbringers are associated with rubies and their color is red?

I believe that Shallan is a Lightweaver. (Not a Dustbringer). Lightweavers are Garnet (red).

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1 hour ago, JoyBlu said:

I believe that Shallan is a Lightweaver. (Not a Dustbringer). Lightweavers are Garnet (red).

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I believe what they are trying to say is since a dustbringer is ruby red, then shallan as a lightweaver should be an off red color or a different hue to denote garnet

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I posted pretty much this same question in a Q & A a while back.  Answer: a lighteye's eyes won't change, or if they do, hardly at all, because of how eye color works on Roshar.  The lighteyes are descended from people [radiants] whose Spiritual DNA was altered by the influx of power through the Nahel bond, and that alteration eventually became permanent (this is why, for now, Kaladin's eyes change back to brown, because he hasn't been part of the bond long enough for the change to stick).  A new spren bond with one of the old radiant's descendants won't have so much of an effect on them because that change has already occurred and been passed down.

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6 hours ago, Pathfinder said:

I believe what they are trying to say is since a dustbringer is ruby red, then shallan as a lightweaver should be an off red color or a different hue to denote garnet

Yes, this.

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