Vin vs Kaladin

[Azarias]

If for some reason they were fighting, who would win?

EDIT: VIn as she was before she ascended in Hero of Ages, and Kaladin at his peak in Oathbringer

Edited July 21, 2020 by Azarias

[RShara]

Depends on the situation and the location and the resources available to each one. Need more details.

[Hoid the Former Drifter]

4 minutes ago, Weltall said:

As for Kaladin screwing with Vin's gravity via lashings, that requires him to, y'know, touch her. Pretty tricky to accomplish, since she's not likely to be keen on getting close to somebody armed with a really big sword/spear once she realizes she can't deflect it with A-Steel.

Unless he summons his blade at the last second!

[+Harrycrapper]

Seems like a trick question. Vin was last see with the power of an entire Shard and killed another Shard. No contest there. 

[Karger]

When?  Before Vin Ascends?  Before she knows she is Mistborn?  With limited training?  How much time has she had to practice?  Are we counting any future abilities Kaladin might pick up at higher level oaths?  What if he ascends?

[NameIess]

This argument has been done before. It depends on Atium, the battlefield, Vin's equipment and metals, Kaladin's stormlight, and of course, personal opinion and interpretation.

[Dunkum]

With no plate, I don't see Kaladin winning.  Vin can just pepper him with coins until he runs out of stormlight and stops healing.  If he fought with a shield, that would change things a bit, since he could use gravitation to deflect coins into his shield, but he generally doesn't, so he wouldn't have a lot of opportunity to use that ability.  Vin is already used to fighting opponents who can 1. kill with a single hit and 2. more or less fly, so while Kaladin would be better at both of those than a mistborn, i doubt the difference would be enough that Vin couldn't handle it.

[Weltall]

Also, are we talking a straight-up fight? Because if not and it's just a flat 'who wins, period?' then we're going to inevitably end up with the same answer Brandon always gives when someone asks him this same question: Vin (or Kelsier) stabs the person in their sleep. Game Over.

Edited July 21, 2020 by Weltall

[Hoid the Former Drifter]

Even with plate he could still lose if Vin Pushes or pulls. However, he could totally throw off her trajectory by changing her gravitational orientation. The real challenge for Vin would be the Sylblade. Does pewter heal wounds from that, or resist blows from it? Also. could Iron pull it away from Kaladin? Being able to kill with a single hit does bother her because she can deflect attacks anyway. However, she cannot block a shardblade. It would probably be drawn out until either Vin ran out of metal and collapsed or Kaladin ran out of Stormlight and collapsed.

[Weltall]

4 minutes ago, Hoid the Drifter said:

Even with plate he could still lose if Vin Pushes or pulls. However, he could totally throw off her trajectory by changing her gravitational orientation.

Investiture resists Investiture and Shardplate is very high up on the list of heavily-Invested objects. Vin could push/pull ordinary metal on Kaladin but she'd need a duralumin boost and an especially strong push to have a hope of affecting Plate or an even more-Invested Blade. On the other hand, we know guns could crack Plate so a couple duralumin-boosted coins would work just fine, and she could functionally 'push' Kaladin in Plate if she had an anchor behind her and was pushing on coins that in turn pushed against Kaladin. But that comes down to the environment.

As for Kaladin screwing with Vin's gravity via lashings, that requires him to, y'know, touch her. Pretty tricky to accomplish, since she's not likely to be keen on getting close to somebody armed with a really big sword/spear once she realizes she can't deflect it with A-Steel.

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The real challenge for Vin would be the Sylblade. Does pewter heal wounds from that, or resist blows from it? Also. could Iron pull it away from Kaladin?

Pewter speeds up the body's natural healing but does not have the same properties as F-Gold, so no.

As mentioned, we have a list of 'how hard is X to affect with allomancy?' via WoB. A Shardblade is second only to Nightblood on that list. Vin might be able to affect a Blade with duralumin and a really strong push/pull but against a Radiant that would be useful very briefly since they can re-summon their spren instantly.

[trav]

when Kelsier vs Kaladin is a toss up depending on the situation then Vin vs Kaladin is a victory for Vin in almost any situation. shes the better Allomancer

 

ik Vin never used it, but as an afterthough Chromium could makes this match a joke, imo.

[Frustration]

On my opinion most everyone here is super biases towards a Mistborn in a matchup.(not just this thread but the shard in general) I have the opposite problem, and honestly can almost never see a situation in which a full Radiant loses.

However that's not what we're talking about, Vin vs. Kaladin. I think in a fair fight just all out on an arena floor Kal wins hands down. However if Brandon is writing Vin wins because she has plot armor thicker than most contries.

[Dunkum]

46 minutes ago, Frustration said:

I think in a fair fight just all out on an arena floor

just wanted to point out that this specific matchup would never take place on an arena floor

I actually think an arena would be to Vin's advatage - lots more places to use as anchors for pushes means more maneuverability for her, getting her closer to Kaladin's level.  If they were to fight on a flat plain, she'd have more trouble.