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What happens if someone tries burning an alloy of one of the 16 and a god metal? Are there technically 34 metals? (The 16 basic, 16 god alloys, and 2 pure god metals)

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alloying any of the 16 with lerasium and then burning it would make you a misting of that Metal

so, a alloy of Lerasium and Steel would make you a coinshot misting

 

and brandon hasnt really canonized what the Atium alloys do yet

 

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Have you thought about what all the Atium alloys do?

Brandon Sanderson

Yes, but I have not canonized most of them. Even in my notes.

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14 minutes ago, Hoid the Drifter said:

What happens if someone tries burning an alloy of one of the 16 and a god metal? Are there technically 34 metals? (The 16 basic, 16 god alloys, and 2 pure god metals)

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I was also wondering if... I just finished reading the Ars Arcanum in the back of Bands of Mourning and I heard it mention that god metals could be alloyed to give different abilities or traits.

Brandon Sanderson

Yes.

Questioner

Could you give an example of one?

Brandon Sanderson

So, you could alloy lerasium with certain metals of the sixteen in the table and get, if you had just enough lerasium, it would make them a misting of those powers.

Calamity Philadelphia signing (Feb. 20, 2016)
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What would an atium-electrum alloy do in Allomancy?

Brandon Sanderson

The alloys of atium have various temporal effects.

Footnote: The Allomancy chart poster reveals that atium alloys have various temporal and mental effects.
Tor.com Q&A with Brandon Sanderson (Jan. 10, 2011)

 

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What would be the point in making an alloy of lerasium if you could be a mistborn from the pure metal? Also, do the alloys of the metal have other hemalurgic abilities?

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22 minutes ago, Hoid the Drifter said:

What would be the point in making an alloy of lerasium if you could be a mistborn from the pure metal? Also, do the alloys of the metal have other hemalurgic abilities?

What is better? One Mistborn or small army of Mistings? We can have much more of metal to give people by alloing with Lerasium.

And maybe they have other hemalurgic properties. We simply dont know.

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one mistborn can take down an army of hazekillers by themselves. Also, if you have enough lerasium to make an army of mistings you have enough to make an army of mistborns. So which is better- an army of mistings or an army of mistborns? Obviously, mistborns.

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12 minutes ago, Hoid the Drifter said:

one mistborn can take down an army of hazekillers by themselves. Also, if you have enough lerasium to make an army of mistings you have enough to make an army of mistborns. So which is better- an army of mistings or an army of mistborns? Obviously, mistborns.

You get a much more powerful misting.  In your hopefully peaceful day to day life some of the metals are not going to be worth much(why would you bother being a thug or coinshot?) but some would be (soothing rioting bendalloy).  Would you rather be a pathetically weak mistborn or the most powerful soother in scadrain history?

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39 minutes ago, Hoid the Drifter said:

Also, do the alloys of the metal have other hemalurgic abilities?

We have no reason to think they do not, but we haven't the faintest clue what the alloys would do.

For reference, Khriss mentions in the Ars Arcanum that it's theorized that god metal alloys could grant new powers in feruchemy. We know malatium has some feruchemical use but Sazed wasn't able to figure out what it was in the time he had to experiment. If these alloys work for feruchemy there's no reason to think that hemalurgy wound be any different.

8 minutes ago, Hoid the Drifter said:

one mistborn can take down an army of hazekillers by themselves. Also, if you have enough lerasium to make an army of mistings you have enough to make an army of mistborns. So which is better- an army of mistings or an army of mistborns? Obviously, mistborns.

Not really. If you split a lerasium bead up and give it to multiple people you'll end up with really weak mistborn. Channelling a smaller bit of Preservation's power into one metal, you're likely to still end up with an extremely strong misting out of less lerasium, meaning you could make several powerful mistings from a single bead.

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4 minutes ago, Karger said:

You get a much more powerful misting.  In your hopefully peaceful day to day life some of the metals are not going to be worth much(why would you bother being a thug or coinshot?) but some would be (soothing rioting bendalloy).  Would you rather be a pathetically weak mistborn or the most powerful soother in scadrain history?

But you wouldn't be a pathetically weak mistborn Burning Lerasium should give you undiluted Mistborn abilities, like elend. Also, being a coinshot or lurcher would make traveling easier, and pewter would make everything easier. the metals aren't necessarily only good in combat situations. Vin burned pewter to dance more gracefully.

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2 minutes ago, Hoid the Drifter said:

But you wouldn't be a pathetically weak mistborn Burning Lerasium should give you undiluted Mistborn abilities, like elend. Also, being a coinshot or lurcher would make traveling easier, and pewter would make everything easier. the metals aren't necessarily only good in combat situations. Vin burned pewter to dance more gracefully.

It depends on the amount of lerasium you have.  If Eland only ate half the bead he would have been considerably less powerful.  If he had alloyed it with pewter and used it that way he would have been able to do some pretty freakish things (throw cars at people barehanded).  Also no law exists that states that something possible has to be cool.  Maybe even people who knew it was possible would just have not done it but think of the possibilities of a world where lerasium is plentiful and only a select few choose to alloy.  What could an electrum misting see?  How would you outfight a thug?  What if someone chose to just use the four physical and four enhancement metals(the ones Vin uses in book 1-gold and atium )?

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okay, but based on the fact that vin took down a bunch of mistings each as powerful in that ability as she was in that ability, the principle should be the same. also, should the amount of lerasium in the alloy being burned also make the same difference? Meaning, you would need to burn more of the alloy to get the same level of power as burning the pure thing.

Also, what's to say elend couldn't  throw a car barehanded? He just never had a reason to use strength because he had steel. This doesn't seem unusual. Steel is less demanding than pewter!

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1 minute ago, Hoid the Drifter said:

Meaning, you would need to burn more of the alloy to get the same level of power as burning the pure thing.

No that is what I am saying.  You would need much less lerasium to be as good as a mistborn in a given power.  If you burned the same amount you would be much more powerful then that mistbron at one thing.

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7 hours ago, Hoid the Drifter said:

What would be the point in making an alloy of lerasium if you could be a mistborn from the pure metal? Also, do the alloys of the metal have other hemalurgic abilities?

 You have the possibility of getting a Resonance, assuming you can get one other power. Mistborn miss out on those, from what I understand.

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16 hours ago, Hoid the Drifter said:

okay, but based on the fact that vin took down a bunch of mistings each as powerful in that ability as she was in that ability, the principle should be the same.

They were more experienced, their raw power level was probably lower, although there's not really an exact metric.

16 hours ago, Hoid the Drifter said:

also, should the amount of lerasium in the alloy being burned also make the same difference? Meaning, you would need to burn more of the alloy to get the same level of power as burning the pure thing.

That's not really how a traditional alloy works. The lerasium would always make up a similar percentage each time the alloy is created, so the power level will always be the same.

16 hours ago, Hoid the Drifter said:

Also, what's to say elend couldn't  throw a car barehanded? He just never had a reason to use strength because he had steel. This doesn't seem unusual. Steel is less demanding than pewter!

Like any other Mistborn, Elend was probably close to constantly burning pewter, because it gives you greater speed, endurance, and grace in addition to strength. We haven't seen any prominent Pewterarms in Era 2 besides Tarson, but his strength doesn't seem to be at the level of throwing a car or carriage even with being Koloss-blooded.

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okay, but he wasn't constantly flaring it.

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6 hours ago, Hoidolasium said:

lso, should the amount of lerasium in the alloy being burned also make the same difference? Meaning, you would need to burn more of the alloy to get the same level of power as burning the pure thing.

What I mean is, since the amount of lerasium remains constant, getting it to the right percentage would give it greater mass. 1 bead of pure lerasium would consist of more lerasium than 1 bead of ally. Therefore, the mistborn should be more powerful.

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16 hours ago, Turos said:

You have the possibility of getting a Resonance,

meaning what?

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42 minutes ago, Hoid the Drifter said:

What I mean is, since the amount of lerasium remains constant, getting it to the right percentage would give it greater mass. 1 bead of pure lerasium would consist of more lerasium than 1 bead of ally. Therefore, the mistborn should be more powerful.

Right, and what I'm saying is that the mass of the finished metal matters more than the amount of Lerasium. If one bead of pure Lerasium makes you as strong a Mistborn as one bead of alloy of the same size, but you're using a lot less Lerasium in the alloy, then you're somehow losing Investiture - assuming you can't split one bead of Lerasium evenly among 16 alloys, which I guess is totally possible. If they aren't even, then there is no way to account for this loss. 

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3 hours ago, Hoid the Drifter said:

meaning what?

You get an extra passive effect, from the resonance of the two powers in your spiritweb constructively interfering. Twinborn get those.

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like compounding? If so, you can compound as a mistborn too.

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You have to be a ferucumist and an allomancer to compound

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but that is 2 different powers.

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A resonance gives you an extra effect but it's the interaction with the 2 powers and the effect is never as big as compounding which is fueling one power with another

For example Shallans ability to take memories is the lightweavers resonance  

Resonances coppermind page

https://coppermind.net/wiki/Resonance

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On 7/22/2020 at 2:43 PM, Hoid the Drifter said:

What I mean is, since the amount of lerasium remains constant, getting it to the right percentage would give it greater mass. 1 bead of pure lerasium would consist of more lerasium than 1 bead of ally. Therefore, the mistborn should be more powerful.

If you have two pieces of Lerasium of equal size, and two people one person just eat's it as is and one alloys it than the one who alloyed his lerasium would be sixteen times as powerful as the one who just ate his plain.

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1 hour ago, Frustration said:

If you have two pieces of Lerasium of equal size, and two people one person just eat's it as is and one alloys it than the one who alloyed his lerasium would be sixteen times as powerful as the one who just ate his plain.

It is unknown if this happens. It might be that by alloying the Lerasium all the extra investiture is unable to filter through the new atomic alignment leaving you with just a Misting that is equally as powerful as a Mistborn in one metal.   

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