rosin_the_beau Posted July 2, 2020 Report Share Posted July 2, 2020 So I have this completely crazy theory about Shards and their intent. I don't know if this has come up before, but here it goes: We know from certain WoB that the number of shards wasn't limited to 16. There could have been more and there could have been less. We know that Odium, and possibly others are going around splintering Shards, which are already pieces of divinity. I believe (I'll have to check) that it has been said that when a shard is splintered, it can be put back together. This brings me to my claims. 1: Adonalsium was not broken along clear lines of intent, hence the term "shattering" Adonalsium was the whole, the infinity. And the next logical step 2: when a shard is splintered, it can be reassembled as a different intent. For this specific statement, I have some type of proof beyond just speculation. On Roshar, we know that there are three shards: Honor, Cultivation, and Odium. At the battle of Thaylen Field, Dalinar Ascended, written with a capital A. He tells Odium "I am Unity", again note the capital U. I believe that here, Dalinar somehow grabbed some splinters of Honor and Ascended with a new Intent. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger Posted July 2, 2020 Report Share Posted July 2, 2020 You are correct in that you can theoretically mix and match shards yes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frustration Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 4 hours ago, rosin_the_beau said: On Roshar, we know that there are three shards: Honor, Cultivation, and Odium. At the battle of Thaylen Field, Dalinar Ascended, written with a capital A. He tells Odium "I am Unity", again note the capital U. I believe that here, Dalinar somehow grabbed some splinters of Honor and Ascended with a new Intent. Well no Spoiler Questioner Dalinar Ascends, right? Like, right then, there. Brandon Sanderson I have RAFO'd that. Whether he is Ascending or not is a RAFO. Questioner Okay, because I know he kind of mentions from that, I don't know how to say his name but the older guy who has the Diagram-- Brandon Sanderson Taravangian, yeah. Whether that deserves to be a capital "A" or not is a matter of argument. It can be disputed. Questioner I guess my main question would just be Dalinar's now able to pull Stormlight and give it to people now. Brandon Sanderson He definitely can. That is a Bondsmith power, so. Questioner That is a Bondsmith power, okay. Brandon Sanderson That is specifically a Bondsmith power. Questioner Because my roommate was saying well, the Stormfather was surprised he could do that or was the Stormfather surprised that he was able to bridge-- Brandon Sanderson He was surprised by what was happening to Dalinar as a whole. Questioner Oh okay, that's what I thought because I was like, because I felt like the Stormlight, that power would be a Bondsmith power. Brandon Sanderson Let's say that the Stormfather and Odium were seeing something in Dalinar that, perhaps, the average person watching even who is knowledgeable about Surges would not completely understand... But he will be able to use that power and Bondsmiths in the past have used that same power. Footnote: Brandon clarified that he might have been unintentionally misleading in his answers to this question during his Stormlight 4 Update 1. Idaho Falls signing (Dec. 29, 2018) Also Unity has a capital is because it's being used as a pronoun. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosin_the_beau Posted July 3, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 2 hours ago, Frustration said: Well no Reveal hidden contents Questioner Dalinar Ascends, right? Like, right then, there. Brandon Sanderson I have RAFO'd that. Whether he is Ascending or not is a RAFO. Questioner Okay, because I know he kind of mentions from that, I don't know how to say his name but the older guy who has the Diagram-- Brandon Sanderson Taravangian, yeah. Whether that deserves to be a capital "A" or not is a matter of argument. It can be disputed. Questioner I guess my main question would just be Dalinar's now able to pull Stormlight and give it to people now. Brandon Sanderson He definitely can. That is a Bondsmith power, so. Questioner That is a Bondsmith power, okay. Brandon Sanderson That is specifically a Bondsmith power. Questioner Because my roommate was saying well, the Stormfather was surprised he could do that or was the Stormfather surprised that he was able to bridge-- Brandon Sanderson He was surprised by what was happening to Dalinar as a whole. Questioner Oh okay, that's what I thought because I was like, because I felt like the Stormlight, that power would be a Bondsmith power. Brandon Sanderson Let's say that the Stormfather and Odium were seeing something in Dalinar that, perhaps, the average person watching even who is knowledgeable about Surges would not completely understand... But he will be able to use that power and Bondsmiths in the past have used that same power. Footnote: Brandon clarified that he might have been unintentionally misleading in his answers to this question during his Stormlight 4 Update 1. Idaho Falls signing (Dec. 29, 2018) Also Unity has a capital is because it's being used as a pronoun. I think you mean not necessarily. I am new, but an RAFO is neither a yes or a no to me. Also, if you have a source for Unity being a pronoun, I'd love to see it. I place a big emphasis on capitalization in my own reading. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honorless Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 I'd say it's more of a question of what counts as an Ascension, but I do agree that Unity is Dalinar's interpretation of Honor's Intent 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosin_the_beau Posted July 4, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2020 On 7/2/2020 at 2:19 PM, rosin_the_beau said: I believe (I'll have to check) that it has been said that when a shard is splintered, it can be put back together. This is what I was referencing: Quote Chaos Is Splintering a Shard permanent? Brandon Sanderson No. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rushu42 Posted July 4, 2020 Report Share Posted July 4, 2020 I really like this theory! I don't think that Dalinar Ascended all the way, though, or it would have been more obvious to him. It's possible that he only seized a few Splinters, thereby making it a partial Ascension (which could be the reason for the disputed nature of it). It might also have been a temporary Ascension, like (Mistborn Secret History Spoilers) Spoiler Kelsier did, or even like the Lord Ruler. Either way, I think that the idea of giving a Splintered Shard a new Intent is a really interesting one, and I would not be surprised if this was part of the SA endgame. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosin_the_beau Posted July 5, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2020 19 hours ago, Rushu42 said: I really like this theory! I don't think that Dalinar Ascended all the way, though, or it would have been more obvious to him. It's possible that he only seized a few Splinters, thereby making it a partial Ascension (which could be the reason for the disputed nature of it). It might also have been a temporary Ascension, like (Mistborn Secret History Spoilers) Reveal hidden contents Kelsier did, or even like the Lord Ruler. Either way, I think that the idea of giving a Splintered Shard a new Intent is a really interesting one, and I would not be surprised if this was part of the SA endgame. After a bit more study of Ascension, I think Dalinar definitely Ascended the same way the Lord Ruler did, and became a Sliver, rather than a shard. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frustration Posted July 6, 2020 Report Share Posted July 6, 2020 On 7/2/2020 at 8:35 PM, rosin_the_beau said: I think you mean not necessarily. I am new, but an RAFO is neither a yes or a no to me. Specifically it means Read and find out. And I was referring to the highlighted bit. On 7/2/2020 at 8:35 PM, rosin_the_beau said: Also, if you have a source for Unity being a pronoun, I'd love to see it. I place a big emphasis on capitalization in my own reading. Perhaps Pronoun was the wrong term, but I feel it's more akin to Nale saying that he is the law, maybe with a bit more umph, but I don't think Dalinar is the next Honor. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightslug Posted July 7, 2020 Report Share Posted July 7, 2020 On 03/07/2020 at 7:54 AM, R J said: I'd say it's more of a question of what counts as an Ascension, but I do agree that Unity is Dalinar's interpretation of Honor's Intent Ah, Dalinar's interpretation, or the interpretation of the voice in Dalinar's head? Aside from that, I think that Dalinar's Intent would have to be very powerful indeed to reshape the intent of a shard from such a short amount of time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honorless Posted July 7, 2020 Report Share Posted July 7, 2020 22 minutes ago, Nightslug said: Ah, Dalinar's interpretation, or the interpretation of the voice in Dalinar's head? Aside from that, I think that Dalinar's Intent would have to be very powerful indeed to reshape the intent of a shard from such a short amount of time. A Vessel has a say in how to interpret the Shard's Intent, though eventually the latter would overpower the former Quote Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) Shards and Shard intents: Holding a Shard is a contest of willpower against the Shard that, over time, is very hard to resist. Shards affect you over time, but your mind will not leave a permanent effect on the Shard. A holder's [Vessel's] personality, however, does get to filter the Shard's intent, so to speak. However, if that holder [Vessel] no longer held that Shard, the Shard will not continue to be filtered by that person. Alloy of Law 17th Shard Q&A (Nov. 5, 2011) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightslug Posted July 7, 2020 Report Share Posted July 7, 2020 (edited) Ah- I understood that a person could over time interpret the shard's intent, but I had never seen that WoB about A Vessel has a say in how to interpret the Shard's Intent, though eventually the latter would overpower the former "if that holder [Vessel] no longer held that Shard, the Shard will not continue to be filtered by that person". Thanks for the clarification RJ Edited July 7, 2020 by Nightslug Formatting - New to the Forums! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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