Darth_Hel

Unmade and Heralds

9 posts in this topic

So,the people who became the Heralds seem to have been around before Humans came to Roshar. Back then they followed Odium and had surgebinders that would be related to Odium. So, its reasonable to guess that the Heralds before the joined the Oathpact might have been invested with Odium based magic. The Eila Stele mentions "They came from another world, using powers that we have been forbidden to touch. Dangerous powers, of spren and Surges." Whether bonded to Odium spren or invested with some sort of Odium magic, it seems reasonable that this might need to have been stripped away from them before they could enter the Pact with Honor. So, the unmade could have been that Odium investiture that had infused the Heralds pre-Oathpact. It might also explain why Taln wasn't expected as part of the Oathpact and why there are only nine Unmade. If Taln had no magic or investiture pre-Oathpact then there would be nothing to strip away. It could also tie heavily into the theme that the commoner among them was the strongest, the man who couldn't even control surges pre-Oathpact.

Correct me if any of this seems wrong. I looked through Arcanum but could have missed things.

3

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

This is a pretty decent theory.  This pokes some holes in it. 

Quote

XS-Terrain

Also, does each of the Unmade have a corresponding order of the Knights Radiant?

Brandon Sanderson

Eh... Kind of.

XS-Terrain

Ok. So there are nine Unmade right, so which one is left out?

Brandon Sanderson

Bondsmith. But it's not as one to one, there's some fuzziness in there.

Oathbringer San Francisco signing (Nov. 15, 2017)  

If your theory were strictly true it would be one to one with Stonewards missing.  However I do think your somewhat on the right track.  You at least have an interesting view that should be developed further.

Edited by Karger
0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

That’s interesting, I haven’t seen that unmade theory before. The most persuasive thing you said was tying Taln into it. Cool theory

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Some of the fuzziness could be because the void versions aren't one to one copies of the surge powers. Also, there's nothing saying the Heralds would neccessarily end up with the Blade matching their previous Surges. Especially since Brandon mentioned they could swap Blades if they wanted. https://wob.coppermind.net/events/100/#e3564

Edited by Darth_Hel
0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I agree. It’s not totally clear what Brandon means by there’s some fuzziness. That could mean afew different things.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

That's a really good theory, @Darth_Hel! So do you think the Unmade could have been the spren the Heralds were Bonded to before joining the Oathpact?

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Possibly, if Ashyn had Spren. If not then it could be the residual of whatever Odium investiture was filling their spiritwebs turned to Spren when Honor expelled it.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Interesting theory, I like it!  Devil's advocate statements:

From what we know, Humans bonding spren came after the Heralds creation and was the direct inspiration for it in-world.  While the Ashyn people has some form of surgebinding, I doubt it had the same Spren-bond at it's core.

This WOB cast some doubt on how much the Humans were in league with Odium prior to their arrival, it seems to have been more of a coincidence or convergence of events rather than a pre-existing relationship.  Had they been that integrally involved with Odium, I doubt the resident Shards would have offered and assisted in letting them settle.  It makes sense for them to receive human settlers, but less for them to invite a people that were already Invested by another (murderous) Shard.  

 

 

Quote

 

Hoidonalsium

What was the order of the Shards coming to Roshar and changing allegiances? Did humans come with Odium?

Brandon Sanderson

So... you're talking about on Roshar specifically? So, Odium had visited Roshar. The humans gave him more of an ear... The Dawnsingers would have considered him the god of the people who had come, but-- I mean, it wasn't like they necessarily brought him. He was capable of getting around before that. I mean, he did kinda come along with them, he was instrumental in what happened there.

Hoidonalsium

Okay, but he was separate, and after Honor and Cultivation had really settled there?

Brandon Sanderson

Yes, he was after Honor and Cultivation had settled.

Oathbringer Glasgow signing (Dec. 2, 2017)

 

 
0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I read that as more supportive than you do. Humans gave him more of an ear than Singers did, and he was instrumental in what happened, and followed the humans over. It sounds like he's just saying that Odium didn't need to be "brought" because he could travel there at any time if he'd wanted, but he did decide to go with them.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!


Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.


Sign In Now

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.