Watchcry Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, Hentient said: One thing to consider is each order has a special way their surges work together (An example being lightweavers can give weight to their illusions) and we havent seen what that is for most of the orders, so it might be hard to know exactly who is the most useful. Isn't it only suspected that they can, due to investiture having its own weight. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aminar Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 13 minutes ago, Hentient said: One thing to consider is each order has a special way their surges work together (An example being lightweavers can give weight to their illusions) and we havent seen what that is for most of the orders, so it might be hard to know exactly who is the most useful. That's not really true. Gravity is the same between Skybreakers and Windrunners. We don't know what a Truthwatcher's lightweaving is like but it's likely exactly the same, minus the Mnemonic ability kind of augmenting it. But there is no real evidence Surges vary by order beyond Bondsmiths and lots of evidence they aren't different in execution. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hen Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 (edited) Okay okay, to be clear i'm not saying that the surges are different from order to order. Im saying that the unique combination of surges that an order has lets them do things that the other two orders with their surges cant. Its called Resonance, and it happens to anyone that has access to two surges (We also see it in Twinborn). To quote the coppermind: Quote Due to a combination of their two surges, Windrunners have new, secondary effects, known as the Resonance. The Windrunners' Resonance is strength of squires, which allows them to have many more squires than other Orders. Quote Due to a combination of their two surges, Lightweavers have new, secondary effects, know as a Resonance. Lightweavers may have multiple Resonances, with a prominent one being mnemonic abilities. This includes the ability to deliberately memorize a scene, after which the Lightweaver can paint or draw that scene with remarkable accuracy... Lightweavers can experience light and color differently and may be able to minutely alter the mood of others. It is also implied that they may able to to create a solid illusion by combining their Illumination surge and their Soulcasting. The coppermind only has these two orders, but thats because we just havent seen it happen much with other orders. This is probably why Jasnah was able to soulcast so effectively In the Battle of Thaylen City, because she was in the cognitive realm and the spiritual realm at the same time (Probably). Im just saying, without knowing the Resonance of the other orders, im not sure we can really judge them. Edited June 13, 2020 by Hentient 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aminar Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 10 minutes ago, Hentient said: Okay okay, to be clear i'm not saying that the surges are different from order to order. Im saying that the unique combination of surges that an order has lets them do things that the other two orders with their surges cant. Its called Resonance, and it happens to anyone that has access to two surges (We also see it in Twinborn). To quote the coppermind: The coppermind only has these two orders, but thats because we just havent seen it happen much with other orders. This is probably why Jasnah was able to soulcast so effectively In the Battle of Thaylen City, because she was in the cognitive realm and the spiritual realm at the same time (Probably). Im just saying, without knowing the Resonance of the other orders, im not sure we can really judge them. Right. But we know next to nothing about those and they're not really related to the surges so they aren't predictable enough to matter at this point. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hen Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Aminar said: Right. But we know next to nothing about those and they're not really related to the surges so they aren't predictable enough to matter at this point. If we are arguing solely on the strength of surges, then you're right, it doesn't matter much. But Orders are made of a lot more then just surges. Oaths, Spren, Relationships of Radiants within the order, how the world precipices them, etc. These things matter too. Edited June 13, 2020 by Hentient 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shard of Reading Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 I think that we are giving the elsecallers too much love. I mean, each order is special. There are things a windrunner can do that a elsecaller could never come close to accomplishing and vise versa. Every order has its own specialties. Added to that fact we know next to nothing about a couple orders, and therefore can not properly judge them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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